From bouchier at classicnet.net Wed Jul 1 08:57:20 2009 From: bouchier at classicnet.net (Paul Bouchier) Date: Wed Jul 1 08:57:06 2009 Subject: [DPRG] Re: RBNO Message-ID: Great RBNO last night guys! There was so much going on I couldn't keep track, but I saw 2 catapults throwing stuff, Dale's homebuilt Arduino on a proto board, some hacking on linux routers & roombas, video interviews on various topics, & I don't know what else. Ewedora the flying sheep bequeathed her body to science (at the hands of Doug Emes & the club.) And then there was food too - thanks very much Martin for the hot dogs. Paul From DeltaGraph at aol.com Wed Jul 1 09:53:34 2009 From: DeltaGraph at aol.com (DeltaGraph@aol.com) Date: Wed Jul 1 09:53:52 2009 Subject: [DPRG] Re: RBNO Message-ID: Ditto on that Paul. Very nice indeed. Hats off to all the food providers -- makes for a nice RBNO always. The flying sheep is great - Thanks Paul! Late last night Charlie dropped off 15 boxes of old books/data books from past DPRGer Roger Arrick as he stated he would. They are there for the picking until next Tuesday when he will make them vanish. We are likely to push for a cull on the library too at some point if it looks like we will be pinched on space. We have some really nice robotics books which should stay of course, but I would like to push for getting rid of many old data books. Most of the stuff is on the internet... I know some people love having the paper databooks to flip through -- this might be your chance! Anyway, more on this later... Ron **************Dell Laptops: Huge Savings on Popular Laptops ? Deals starting at $399(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222883570x1201497211/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Faltfarm.mediaplex.com%2Fad%2Fck%2F12309%2D81939%2D1629%2D0) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.dprg.org/pipermail/dprglist/attachments/20090701/e46c85b4/attachment.html From puppy_dog500 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 1 10:20:09 2009 From: puppy_dog500 at yahoo.com (-Old Dog-) Date: Wed Jul 1 10:20:13 2009 Subject: [DPRG] Re: RBNO Message-ID: <245844.37832.qm@web35605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> And let's not forget Dave, who also brought in some hot links and additional buns. We currently have enough left over for next week. -Martin --- On Wed, 7/1/09, DeltaGraph@aol.com wrote: > From: DeltaGraph@aol.com > Subject: Re: [DPRG] Re: RBNO > To: dprglist@dprg.org > Date: Wednesday, July 1, 2009, 9:53 AM > > > > > > > Ditto on that Paul. > Very nice indeed.? Hats off to all the food > providers -- makes for a > nice RBNO always. > ? > The flying sheep is great - Thanks Paul! > ? > Late last night Charlie dropped off 15 boxes of > old?books/data books > from past DPRGer Roger Arrick as he stated he would. They > are there for the > picking until next Tuesday when he will make them > vanish. > ? > We are likely to push for a cull on the library too at > some point if it > looks like we will be pinched on space. We have some really > nice robotics books > which should stay of course, but I would like to push for > getting rid of many > old data books.? Most of the stuff is on the > internet... > ? > I know some people love having the paper databooks to > flip through -- this > might be your chance! > Anyway, more on this later... > ? > Ron > ? > ? > ? > ? > ? Dell > Laptops: Huge Savings on Popular Laptops - Deals > starting at $399 > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > _______________________________________________ > DPRGlist mailing list > DPRGlist@dprg.org > http://list.dprg.org/mailman/listinfo/dprglist > From DeltaGraph at aol.com Wed Jul 1 10:20:59 2009 From: DeltaGraph at aol.com (DeltaGraph@aol.com) Date: Wed Jul 1 10:21:17 2009 Subject: [DPRG] June Meeting Minutes Message-ID: Hey Ed, We are not "there" yet. We might have a year - OR - not -- we will know soon.. Space for critical and useful tools, like your lathe would always be available as long as we have space. (And thank you for the use of your lathe!!! A number of people have benefited from its presence -- including ME -- Will made me some parts on it) TTL data books, old PCs, big CRTs.... not quite so high on the list. If we have to squeeze down a bit, then I see that stuff going to keep up our "free space" The tool shop is very important as is key test equipment and having table space for people to set up their stuff on. Ron **************Dell Laptops: Huge Savings on Popular Laptops ? Deals starting at $399(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222883570x1201497211/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Faltfarm.mediaplex.com%2Fad%2Fck%2F12309%2D81939%2D1629%2D0) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.dprg.org/pipermail/dprglist/attachments/20090701/b3e25c3a/attachment.html From skunk.five at gmail.com Wed Jul 1 10:37:17 2009 From: skunk.five at gmail.com (Skunk Five) Date: Wed Jul 1 10:37:26 2009 Subject: [DPRG] Re: RBNO In-Reply-To: <245844.37832.qm@web35605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <245844.37832.qm@web35605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Sorry I had to jet out of there so quickly last night (kids bedtime). I forgot to help clean up, and left my Grey Pupon! I have a spare microwave to donate if the club needs one for all those extra hot dogs... :) -Dave Hawkins On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 10:20 AM, -Old Dog- wrote: > > And let's not forget Dave, who also brought in some hot links and > additional buns. We currently have enough left over for next week. > > -Martin > > --- On Wed, 7/1/09, DeltaGraph@aol.com wrote: > > > From: DeltaGraph@aol.com > > Subject: Re: [DPRG] Re: RBNO > > To: dprglist@dprg.org > > Date: Wednesday, July 1, 2009, 9:53 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ditto on that Paul. > > Very nice indeed. Hats off to all the food > > providers -- makes for a > > nice RBNO always. > > > > The flying sheep is great - Thanks Paul! > > > > Late last night Charlie dropped off 15 boxes of > > old books/data books > > from past DPRGer Roger Arrick as he stated he would. They > > are there for the > > picking until next Tuesday when he will make them > > vanish. > > > > We are likely to push for a cull on the library too at > > some point if it > > looks like we will be pinched on space. We have some really > > nice robotics books > > which should stay of course, but I would like to push for > > getting rid of many > > old data books. 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URL: http://list.dprg.org/pipermail/dprglist/attachments/20090701/e5871fdc/attachment-0001.html From ed at okerson.com Wed Jul 1 10:42:46 2009 From: ed at okerson.com (ed@okerson.com) Date: Wed Jul 1 10:48:08 2009 Subject: [DPRG] June Meeting Minutes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4068.173.74.117.45.1246462966.squirrel@mail.okerson.com> Hey Ron, OK, I will keep watching the list for details. Ed > Hey Ed, > We are not "there" yet. > We might have a year - OR - not -- we will know soon.. > > Space for critical and useful tools, like your lathe would always be > available as long as we have space. > (And thank you for the use of your lathe!!! A number of people have > benefited from its presence -- including ME -- Will made me some parts on > it) > > TTL data books, old PCs, big CRTs.... not quite so high on the list. > If we have to squeeze down a bit, then I see that stuff going to keep up > our "free space" > The tool shop is very important as is key test equipment and having table > space for people to set up their stuff on. > > Ron > > > > **************Dell Laptops: Huge Savings on Popular Laptops ??? Deals > starting at > $399(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222883570x1201497211/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Faltfarm.mediaplex.com%2Fad%2Fck%2F12309%2D81939%2D1629%2D0) > From rbickle at intconsys.com Wed Jul 1 11:05:56 2009 From: rbickle at intconsys.com (Rick Bickle) Date: Wed Jul 1 11:06:01 2009 Subject: [DPRG] Re: RBNO In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <86B0F17FAFA32E41ABE4894338D8D0030311@helios2.IntConSys.local> How bout some pics of these catapults for those of us too busy (or lazy) to come on Tuesdays! Rick From: dprglist-bounces@dprg.org [mailto:dprglist-bounces@dprg.org] On Behalf Of DeltaGraph@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 9:54 AM To: dprglist@dprg.org Subject: Re: [DPRG] Re: RBNO Ditto on that Paul. Very nice indeed. Hats off to all the food providers -- makes for a nice RBNO always. The flying sheep is great - Thanks Paul! Late last night Charlie dropped off 15 boxes of old books/data books from past DPRGer Roger Arrick as he stated he would. They are there for the picking until next Tuesday when he will make them vanish. We are likely to push for a cull on the library too at some point if it looks like we will be pinched on space. We have some really nice robotics books which should stay of course, but I would like to push for getting rid of many old data books. Most of the stuff is on the internet... I know some people love having the paper databooks to flip through -- this might be your chance! Anyway, more on this later... Ron ________________________________ Dell Laptops: Huge Savings on Popular Laptops - Deals starting at $399 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.dprg.org/pipermail/dprglist/attachments/20090701/21d4573e/attachment.html From puppy_dog500 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 1 11:31:06 2009 From: puppy_dog500 at yahoo.com (-Old Dog-) Date: Wed Jul 1 11:31:11 2009 Subject: [DPRG] Re: RBNO Message-ID: <13151.23403.qm@web35607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> We took plenty of video. I'll try to get it edited & uploaded to our DPRG u-tube site soon. Note: For those of you who havent seen it yet, I did a short video of Dale's perimeter defence system and posted it to u-tube. It can be directly accessed from the DPRG web page (www.dprg.org). -Martin --- On Wed, 7/1/09, Rick Bickle wrote: > From: Rick Bickle > Subject: RE: [DPRG] Re: RBNO > To: dprglist@dprg.org > Date: Wednesday, July 1, 2009, 11:05 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How bout some pics of these catapults for > those of us too busy > (or lazy) to come on Tuesdays! > > ? > > Rick > > ? > > ? > > > > ? > > > > ? > > > > > > From: > dprglist-bounces@dprg.org > [mailto:dprglist-bounces@dprg.org] On Behalf Of > DeltaGraph@aol.com > > Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 9:54 AM > > To: dprglist@dprg.org > > Subject: Re: [DPRG] Re: RBNO > > > > > > ? > > > > Ditto on that Paul. > > > > > > Very nice indeed.? Hats off to all the > food providers -- > makes for a nice RBNO always. > > > > > > ? > > > > > > The flying sheep is great - Thanks > Paul! > > > > > > ? > > > > > > Late last night Charlie dropped off 15 boxes > of > old?books/data books from past DPRGer Roger Arrick as > he stated he would. > They are there for the picking until next Tuesday when he > will make them > vanish. > > > > > > ? > > > > > > We are likely to push for a cull on the > library too at some point > if it looks like we will be pinched on space. We have some > really nice robotics > books which should stay of course, but I would like to push > for getting rid of > many old data books.? Most of the stuff is on the > internet... > > > > > > ? > > > > > > I know some people love having the paper > databooks to flip through > -- this might be your chance! > > > > > > Anyway, more on this later... > > > > > > ? > > > > > > Ron > > > > > > ? > > > > > > ? > > > > > > ? > > > > > > ? > > > > > > ? > > > > > > ? > > > > > > > > Dell > Laptops: Huge Savings on Popular Laptops - Deals starting > at $399 > > > > > > > > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > _______________________________________________ > DPRGlist mailing list > DPRGlist@dprg.org > http://list.dprg.org/mailman/listinfo/dprglist > From DeltaGraph at aol.com Wed Jul 8 07:01:26 2009 From: DeltaGraph at aol.com (DeltaGraph@aol.com) Date: Wed Jul 8 07:01:48 2009 Subject: [DPRG] Meeting This Saturday July 11 Message-ID: Greetings DPRG Folks, Meeting This Saturday at the DPRG world headquarters. Paul is going to talk about some cool stuff he and others are doing with Roomba. I will let Paul elaborate in a follow-on email. We have a bunch of data books that Charlie picked up from Roger Arrick. Anyone interested, feel free to grab 'em. Also, if you have any large items to give away, feel free to bring them, but they must leave with you on the day you bring them if they don't leave with someone else! Small items are welcome to stay if they can fit on the giveaway table. As always, bring your projects to show off and bring food/drink to share or hoard for yourself. Thanks to Mike we have 2 A/C units online so should be pretty comfortable. Looking forward to seeing everyone! Ron **************Popular laptop deals plus free shipping! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221917659x1201411421/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Faltfarm.media plex.com%2Fad%2Fck%2F12309%2D81939%2D1629%2D2) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.dprg.org/pipermail/dprglist/attachments/20090708/091a192c/attachment.html From paul.bouchier at hp.com Wed Jul 8 09:35:31 2009 From: paul.bouchier at hp.com (Bouchier, Paul) Date: Wed Jul 8 09:36:27 2009 Subject: [DPRG] Message from Tankbot Message-ID: <9FCE3A46FE7C8045A6207AE4B42E9F9A47AF63CCCD@GVW1119EXC.americas.hpqcorp.net> Hello. My name is Tankbot, and I've just become an orphan. My daddy recently abandoned me and ran off with some other robots. I just can't understand it. I'm much more attractive, smarter, stronger, and better equipped. I'm really quite a capable robot - I've competed in the last two Roboramas. Even though I embarrassed my daddy by running over the course markers, what people don't realize is I'm a tank - that's what I do! I'm quite well equipped - I've got a compass, a webcam, Arduino and many other goodies, and I run Linux. I'm probably best suited to a daddy or mommy who has some familiarity with Linux and C. My old daddy says he'll support my hardware if I find a new daddy to program me, but he doesn't have time to lavish the love he used to on me. If you would like to meet me, please talk to my old daddy. I'm the club robot, but all I really want is for someone to play with me. I'm all alone in the world, but I know if I commit suicide I'll get sent to robot hell, like Wall-E. I need a new mommy or daddy who can give me the love and care I need. Please consider me if you are in need of a good robot. Thank you for your time. Tankbot From rmd at newmicros.com Wed Jul 8 15:47:59 2009 From: rmd at newmicros.com (Randy M. Dumse) Date: Wed Jul 8 15:48:07 2009 Subject: [DPRG] Message from Tankbot In-Reply-To: <9FCE3A46FE7C8045A6207AE4B42E9F9A47AF63CCCD@GVW1119EXC.americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <9FCE3A46FE7C8045A6207AE4B42E9F9A47AF63CCCD@GVW1119EXC.americas.hpqcorp.net> Message-ID: Hi. My name is Trackbot. I'm a cousin to tankbot. I sensed my daddy was going to have a stroke, so I blew my brains out trying to warn him. My prototype H-bridge was missing a main capacitor, so my back EMF popped my brain and then sent 12V everywhere. Daddy didn't get the hint. A week later he had his own brain problems anyway. It's been 4 years, and I'm still waiting for him to recover and install my new brain. I just sit in here, in the back classroom, on the floor, waiting for things to get better. At least I still have a daddy. Please help. It's so hard being an abandoned bot in our family. Trackbot P.S. I think Tankbot is a little over educated, running Linux. I personally think its wasteful to have such a big brain and use it to run a bloated program like that. But who am I to complain. I've got no brain at all at the moment. > -----Original Message----- > From: dprglist-bounces@dprg.org > [mailto:dprglist-bounces@dprg.org] On Behalf Of Bouchier, Paul > Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 9:36 AM > To: dprglist@dprg.org > Subject: [DPRG] Message from Tankbot > > Hello. My name is Tankbot, and I've just become an orphan. My > daddy recently abandoned me and ran off with some other > robots. I just can't understand it. I'm much more attractive, > smarter, stronger, and better equipped. I'm really quite a > capable robot - I've competed in the last two Roboramas. Even > though I embarrassed my daddy by running over the course > markers, what people don't realize is I'm a tank - that's what I do! > > I'm quite well equipped - I've got a compass, a webcam, > Arduino and many other goodies, and I run Linux. > I'm probably best suited to a daddy or mommy who has some > familiarity with Linux and C. My old daddy says he'll support > my hardware if I find a new daddy to program me, but he > doesn't have time to lavish the love he used to on me. If you > would like to meet me, please talk to my old daddy. > > I'm the club robot, but all I really want is for someone to > play with me. I'm all alone in the world, but I know if I > commit suicide I'll get sent to robot hell, like Wall-E. I > need a new mommy or daddy who can give me the love and care I > need. Please consider me if you are in need of a good robot. > > Thank you for your time. > > Tankbot > > _______________________________________________ > DPRGlist mailing list > DPRGlist@dprg.org > http://list.dprg.org/mailman/listinfo/dprglist > > From dpa at mail.isem.smu.edu Wed Jul 8 17:07:16 2009 From: dpa at mail.isem.smu.edu (dpa) Date: Wed Jul 8 17:06:17 2009 Subject: [DPRG] Brain Message-ID: <4A551894.4020306@mail.isem.smu.edu> From rmd at newmicros.com Wed Jul 8 21:40:46 2009 From: rmd at newmicros.com (Randy M. Dumse) Date: Wed Jul 8 21:40:57 2009 Subject: [DPRG] Brain In-Reply-To: <4A551894.4020306@mail.isem.smu.edu> References: <4A551894.4020306@mail.isem.smu.edu> Message-ID: <66A3448D5DDE49D5B51C00F920BC0B4E@RMDSONY3> > Strawman argument if I've ever seen one! Randy From tester140 at juno.com Wed Jul 8 22:03:07 2009 From: tester140 at juno.com (tester140@juno.com) Date: Wed Jul 8 22:03:52 2009 Subject: [DPRG] Supplys Message-ID: <20090708.220307.12388.0@webmail08.dca.untd.com> Hey everyone, I have been given the task of notifying folks by meens of the list that the DPRG is in need some supplys for the World HQ. On the list is: 1. Water 2. Paper Plates 3. Ice 4. Soft Drinks I wil be bringing Ice, and some 2 litres of soft drinks. Please respond to the list so that others know what is covered, and what may still be needed. If anyone can think of anything else, let me know. Thanks, and I'll see you Saturday at the monthly meeting! Charlie Y. ____________________________________________________________ Fast Computer Training. Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/BLSrjnsC7v5ZSM7kQvwOKUmZvbEHkPt207Eh359SLSfviBM7OweyOaczIGE/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.dprg.org/pipermail/dprglist/attachments/20090709/8d75593f/attachment.html From DeltaGraph at aol.com Wed Jul 8 22:07:47 2009 From: DeltaGraph at aol.com (DeltaGraph@aol.com) Date: Wed Jul 8 22:08:01 2009 Subject: [DPRG] Supplys Message-ID: Hey Charlie, Yes, Ditto that we need supplies and I would like to add a small request coming up in the next message to follow in a few minutes. Ron **************Popular laptop deals plus free shipping! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221917659x1201411421/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Faltfarm.media plex.com%2Fad%2Fck%2F12309%2D81939%2D1629%2D2) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.dprg.org/pipermail/dprglist/attachments/20090708/822049dd/attachment.html From DeltaGraph at aol.com Wed Jul 8 22:08:49 2009 From: DeltaGraph at aol.com (DeltaGraph@aol.com) Date: Wed Jul 8 22:09:03 2009 Subject: [DPRG] IMPORTANT: New home for DPRG World Headquarters needed Message-ID: All, We are going to need to find a new home for the DPRG World Headquarters. I just got the word from Mike Dodson who has graciously provided us with 1300+ square feet for the last 6+ years, rent free, that we will need to vacate the space in 5 weeks. Originally he thought we would have much more notice, but such is not the case due to circumstances beyond his control. I assured him -- no problem. I would like to push for us becoming as lean as possible retaining tables, chairs test equipment, tools and some of the cabinets, but let's have a discussion at this Saturday's meeting to see what is important to people and what they are willing to contribute in the way of moving and storing equipment and furniture. For the short term, I would expect we will need to store most everything. Ideally, if we can avoid paying for public storage that would be most desirable. If anyone has storage space, that we could use for some period of time on the order of 3 to 6 months, or possibly as long as a year that would be great. Once we have culled and stored everything, I expect we will find ourselves focused on what we need and what we can get in the way of space. We might want to consider holding a limited number of RBNOs at various locations on of course a reduced schedule. I think we have the possibility of a few one time guest RBNOs and could consider some restaurant locations for at least robot social type of thing -- thinking a restaurant that might be wanting for some business would be a good match (versus a very busy restaurant -- no go). The general list: 1. Prioritize what we use on regular basis and cull (give away / toss / sell) what we don't use. 2. Have some equipment that has been loaned to us picked up by owners 3. Entrust some equipment into custodial care / storage. 4. Assess what storage is available to us. 5. Find volunteers to help us move equipment / furniture. Anyway, let's start the ball moving on Saturday. There is more to say, but will save it for now -- including finding some way of expressing our gratitude to Mike and all those who have contributed to making DPRG WHQ what it was and what it will be in the future. Ron Grant DPRG President just talked to Mike Dodson, provider of our DPRG World Headquarters space for the last 5+ years **************Popular laptop deals plus free shipping! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221917659x1201411421/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Faltfarm.media plex.com%2Fad%2Fck%2F12309%2D81939%2D1629%2D2) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.dprg.org/pipermail/dprglist/attachments/20090708/e46b914f/attachment.html From bouchier at classicnet.net Thu Jul 9 08:03:38 2009 From: bouchier at classicnet.net (Paul Bouchier) Date: Thu Jul 9 08:03:30 2009 Subject: [DPRG] Re: Meeting This Saturday July 11 In-Reply-To: <200907081700.n68H04bK010306@skutter.ncc.com> Message-ID: I'll say a few words (if we have time after discussing the WHQ situation) on work several of us are doing with Roombas: system architectures, goals, wifi, and the Roombacomm library. If the stars align, I'll demo Roomba under control via wifi. Paul > Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 08:01:26 EDT > From: DeltaGraph@aol.com > Subject: [DPRG] Meeting This Saturday July 11 > To: dprglist@dprg.org > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Greetings DPRG Folks, > > Meeting This Saturday at the DPRG world headquarters. > > Paul is going to talk about some cool stuff he and others are > doing with > Roomba. > I will let Paul elaborate in a follow-on email. > > We have a bunch of data books that Charlie picked up from > Roger Arrick. > Anyone interested, feel free to grab 'em. > > Also, if you have any large items to give away, feel free to > bring them, > but they must leave with you on the day you bring them if > they don't leave > with someone else! > > Small items are welcome to stay if they can fit on the > giveaway table. > > As always, bring your projects to show off and bring > food/drink to share or > hoard for yourself. > > > Thanks to Mike we have 2 A/C units online so should be pretty > comfortable. Looking forward to seeing everyone! > > > Ron > From DeltaGraph at aol.com Thu Jul 9 09:12:11 2009 From: DeltaGraph at aol.com (DeltaGraph@aol.com) Date: Thu Jul 9 09:12:42 2009 Subject: [DPRG] Re: Meeting This Saturday July 11 Message-ID: Paul, Let's hear about Roombas first! We will have plenty of time at the meeting to start getting organized for move, but of course we must start taking some decisive action.. Ron **************Dell Studio XPS Desktop: Save up to $400 - Limited Time Offer (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222466512x1201463496/aol?redir=htt p:%2F%2Faltfarm.mediaplex.com%2Fad%2Fck%2F12309%2D81939%2D1629%2D3) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.dprg.org/pipermail/dprglist/attachments/20090709/367159d1/attachment-0001.html From spaceminers2010 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 9 10:39:04 2009 From: spaceminers2010 at yahoo.com (vincent lopresti) Date: Thu Jul 9 10:39:10 2009 Subject: [DPRG] MoonDawg Debut Message-ID: <625543.45291.qm@web111102.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> i will try my best to load up da moondawggy and introduce him to the group. he doesnt have a brain, wifi, linux, or even any wires at the moment. what he DOES have is lots of wheel power! and a dream to win?the lunar regolith excavation?centennial challenge. i will also bring our new 'robot-promoting' robot. he will be at the contest site rolling around talking to spectators about the spaceminers and their loyal moondawg...?? and he's only 2ft tall. ? see you guys soon, robotock -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Steven Rainwater) Date: Thu Jul 9 13:04:26 2009 Subject: [DPRG] IMPORTANT: New home for DPRG World Headquarters needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1247162664.23385.132.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2009-07-08 at 23:08 -0400, DeltaGraph@aol.com wrote: > We are going to need to find a new home for the DPRG World > Headquarters. Bruce Harlan and I have started the beginnings of a little DPRG committee to investigate some long-term solutions to funding the DPRG and providing new space. We hope to do this at the same time we further some of the goals we established as a 501(c)(3) such as education and promotion of robotics. We've only just started but if there's time at the meeting I'll give a quick 1-minute summary of where we're headed and maybe recruit one or two more people to help. We're strictly working on a long-term solution. For the short term, the next year or so, we'll still need find space for monthly meetings, RBNOs, RPLs, or whatever. -Steve From srainwater at ncc.com Thu Jul 9 13:08:46 2009 From: srainwater at ncc.com (R. Steven Rainwater) Date: Thu Jul 9 13:08:48 2009 Subject: [DPRG] DPRG Facebook page Message-ID: <1247162926.23385.135.camel@localhost.localdomain> The DPRG now has a Facebook page. Jason Oliver will be maintaining it. If you're a Facebook user, go become a fan of the DPRG page right now: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Dallas-Personal-Robotics-Group-DPRG/99822806545 Jason will post updates about upcoming meetings, RBNOs, and other events. The videos from our DPRG YouTube channel should also be showing up there from time to time. -Steve From angryscientist at gmail.com Thu Jul 9 13:20:58 2009 From: angryscientist at gmail.com (A. Scientist) Date: Thu Jul 9 13:21:03 2009 Subject: [DPRG] DPRG Facebook page In-Reply-To: <1247162926.23385.135.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1247162926.23385.135.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <7fa751c80907091120k7c07ab72q9059d25ccdbc45ea@mail.gmail.com> Will anyone's names be posted on this? (ie from the meeting notes, etc) On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 1:08 PM, R. Steven Rainwater wrote: > The DPRG now has a Facebook page. Jason Oliver will be maintaining it. > If you're a Facebook user, go become a fan of the DPRG page right now: > > > > http://www.facebook.com/pages/Dallas-Personal-Robotics-Group-DPRG/99822806545 > > Jason will post updates about upcoming meetings, RBNOs, and other > events. The videos from our DPRG YouTube channel should also be showing > up there from time to time. > > -Steve > > > _______________________________________________ > DPRGlist mailing list > DPRGlist@dprg.org > http://list.dprg.org/mailman/listinfo/dprglist > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.dprg.org/pipermail/dprglist/attachments/20090709/b47b34d0/attachment.html From srainwater at ncc.com Thu Jul 9 13:32:03 2009 From: srainwater at ncc.com (R. Steven Rainwater) Date: Thu Jul 9 13:32:04 2009 Subject: [DPRG] DPRG Facebook page In-Reply-To: <7fa751c80907091120k7c07ab72q9059d25ccdbc45ea@mail.gmail.com> References: <1247162926.23385.135.camel@localhost.localdomain> <7fa751c80907091120k7c07ab72q9059d25ccdbc45ea@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1247164323.23385.149.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2009-07-09 at 13:20 -0500, A. Scientist wrote: > Will anyone's names be posted on this? (ie from the meeting notes, > etc) It's like any other Facebook page. If you become a fan you show up in the fan list. I don't think there's any need to post the meeting minutes there as they are already posted to the main DPRG website. -Steve From DeltaGraph at aol.com Thu Jul 9 23:44:10 2009 From: DeltaGraph at aol.com (DeltaGraph@aol.com) Date: Thu Jul 9 23:44:24 2009 Subject: [DPRG] IMPORTANT: New home for DPRG World Headquarters needed Message-ID: All, Steve and I cranked for about 5 hours on moving books and magazines, PC accessories, electronic components into main area, that we feel need a home. I think this relieved a big burden on everyone attending meeting this Saturday. If anyone feels strongly that our judgement is flawed then we suggest that person(s) store materials for us until we have another home with space for books... The library retained almost 100% of robot related books, many electronics books, AI books, machine vision books and some C,C++,Perl... books What is being offered (unless we have objections) Periodicals including Servo, Nuts and Volts, Nasa Tech Briefs and others Logic and Linear Device Data Books, Microprocessor Data books Z80, HC11, 8051, 68332.. and others. Linux Books (est. about 50 linear feet of books and magazines available -- we kept back about 20 linear feet of books) If anyone is interested in the heavy duty work benches that David Anderson and Will Kuhnle put together. Please speak up (we have interest in one of the benches) These we figure would be difficult to move / store. Of course if someone wanted to step up and take one and actually give it back when/if we find place where it would fit in, then great, but no expectation would be placed on those that take the benches. Also the two drawer/ two door cabinets are available. Steve is hoping someone will step up and offer $100 for the server rack (really nice rack, he paid $1200 for) Also the computer desk that sits next to rack is available. About 4 17" Monitors are most likely available. The number of computers TBA. I expect we will keep a few. I would imagine Saturday we will make some decisions that will let some go, I expect on that day. Not sure about the Fridge. I don't think Mike was interested. We are hoping to find some people to store some books...beyond that the tables will occupy a volume of 2.5x6x3 feet MAX and just a bit more for chairs. The Fabric covered red chairs could be sold off if needed, but we would retain the plastic folding chairs that were just purchased. Mike offered to give us his trailer. One thought is we could load all tables and chairs on that (something like 8x6 foot trailer) and store them, if we could find someone with some in door space. They would also have use of the trailer... maybe at some point we could do a trade if they stored our furniture for a given length of time. The idea here is if we can find a place within say 6 months to a year and we need to supply furniture, then we have it, but after such period of time and no place located or we find a home where we don't need furniture (tables chairs), we sell / give away. Scopes, choice books, tools (drill press brake shear) all would want for indoor and reasonably climate controlled storage if possible... We will have to decide best way to handle these items. Hope to see a great turnout for the meeting this Saturday. There is a small chance we will have one more meeting, but this has not been determined. Please bring a box to take home some books and magazines. Also, for items we determine have little chance of being taken home, bring a box if you have access to paper recycle. Large furniture items need to be gone, ideally within about a week. We really don't want to be caught against our deadline which is approximately 2nd week in August. I am going to get exact date from Mike within a day or so. Would be nice to find some uniformly sized boxes, i.e. about 10 book boxes would be ideal. Ron **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221323031x1201367232/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd= JulystepsfooterNO62) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.dprg.org/pipermail/dprglist/attachments/20090710/6a2b10ad/attachment.html From swindle at compuserve.com Thu Jul 9 23:56:29 2009 From: swindle at compuserve.com (John Swindle) Date: Thu Jul 9 23:56:30 2009 Subject: [DPRG] Re: Meeting This Saturday July 11 Roomba References: <200907091413.n69ECsIc001455@skutter.ncc.com> Message-ID: Paul and Ron, et al., Saturday's meeting is going to be jam-packed (does that mean it's sweet?), so I don't expect you need more topics or materials, but just in case you're interested... I have three short videos that I made showing how Roomba's internal software violates its subsumption architecture resulting in the robot's demise (such as leaping over a cliff; for contrast, can you imagine that a dpa robot would ever commit suicide?). The videos are less than five minutes long altogether. The videos could be considered to be support for any software that replaces what the guys in Cambridge wrote. Most of the membership cares much more about successes than mistakes (since we all make mistakes), but it fascinates me when the "big boys" make tons of money on mistakes, and maybe we can learn from that. I'll bring a standard CD and flash with AVI files in case someone wants to see it. Would some other format be better? >From the guy who is still filtering a ping from a pong, John Swindle From legomaniac at gmail.com Fri Jul 10 00:23:56 2009 From: legomaniac at gmail.com (Ed Paradis) Date: Fri Jul 10 00:24:01 2009 Subject: [DPRG] IMPORTANT: New home for DPRG World Headquarters needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1d18bd830907092223r240516fes44858e9ee96c4c88@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 11:44 PM, wrote: > We are hoping to find some people to store some books...beyond that the > tables will occupy a volume of 2.5x6x3 feet MAX and just a bit more for > chairs. The Fabric covered red chairs could be sold off if needed, but we > would retain the plastic folding chairs that were just purchased. Any thing that can be stored in an attic, I can store. I have lots of space in my attic and I'm more than willing to put stuff there. I am a bit short on climate controlled space, but I'm willing to store some stuff. I also have some garage space, as well. Ed From k5rud at arrl.net Fri Jul 10 00:34:53 2009 From: k5rud at arrl.net (Rud Merriam) Date: Fri Jul 10 00:35:39 2009 Subject: [DPRG] IMPORTANT: New home for DPRG World Headquarters needed In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Piping up from the peanut gallery down south... First, I really feel sorry for you guys losing the WHQ...but not to bad because nothing like that is around here. No, really sorry about this. Second, you might consider renting a storage place because some with garage doors also have power available. It would at least be worth checking out the price for a rental. You have enough guys that it might be just $5-10 to get a place. Depending on the site you might be able to have meetings. Some of the places around here have office space available. Now that might be more than you can afford but if the site offers off icing it might be able to handle you having meetings at the garage. - 73 - Rud Merriam K5RUD ARES AEC Montgomery County, TX http://TheHamNetwork.net -----Original Message----- From: DeltaGraph@aol.com [mailto:DeltaGraph@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 11:44 PM To: dprglist@dprg.org Subject: Re: [DPRG] IMPORTANT: New home for DPRG World Headquarters needed All, Steve and I cranked for about 5 hours on moving books and magazines, PC accessories, electronic components into main area, that we feel need a home. I think this relieved a big burden on everyone attending meeting this Saturday. If anyone feels strongly that our judgement is flawed then we suggest that person(s) store materials for us until we have another home with space for books... The library retained almost 100% of robot related books, many electronics books, AI books, machine vision books and some C,C++,Perl... books What is being offered (unless we have objections) Periodicals including Servo, Nuts and Volts, Nasa Tech Briefs and others Logic and Linear Device Data Books, Microprocessor Data books Z80, HC11, 8051, 68332.. and others. Linux Books (est. about 50 linear feet of books and magazines available -- we kept back about 20 linear feet of books) If anyone is interested in the heavy duty work benches that David Anderson and Will Kuhnle put together. Please speak up (we have interest in one of the benches) These we figure would be difficult to move / store. Of course if someone wanted to step up and take one and actually give it back when/if we find place where it would fit in, then great, but no expectation would be placed on those that take the benches. Also the two drawer/ two door cabinets are available. Steve is hoping someone will step up and offer $100 for the server rack (really nice rack, he paid $1200 for) Also the computer desk that sits next to rack is available. About 4 17" Monitors are most likely available. The number of computers TBA. I expect we will keep a few. I would imagine Saturday we will make some decisions that will let some go, I expect on that day. Not sure about the Fridge. I don't think Mike was interested. We are hoping to find some people to store some books...beyond that the tables will occupy a volume of 2.5x6x3 feet MAX and just a bit more for chairs. The Fabric covered red chairs could be sold off if needed, but we would retain the plastic folding chairs that were just purchased. Mike offered to give us his trailer. One thought is we could load all tables and chairs on that (something like 8x6 foot trailer) and store them, if we could find someone with some in door space. They would also have use of the trailer... maybe at some point we could do a trade if they stored our furniture for a given length of time. The idea here is if we can find a place within say 6 months to a year and we need to supply furniture, then we have it, but after such period of time and no place located or we find a home where we don't need furniture (tables chairs), we sell / give away. Scopes, choice books, tools (drill press brake shear) all would want for indoor and reasonably climate controlled storage if possible... We will have to decide best way to handle these items. Hope to see a great turnout for the meeting this Saturday. There is a small chance we will have one more meeting, but this has not been determined. Please bring a box to take home some books and magazines. Also, for items we determine have little chance of being taken home, bring a box if you have access to paper recycle. Large furniture items need to be gone, ideally within about a week. We really don't want to be caught against our deadline which is approximately 2nd week in August. I am going to get exact date from Mike within a day or so. Would be nice to find some uniformly sized boxes, i.e. about 10 book boxes would be ideal. Ron _____ A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.dprg.org/pipermail/dprglist/attachments/20090710/6f140bf3/attachment-0001.html From kip at kdream.com Fri Jul 10 07:58:45 2009 From: kip at kdream.com (Kipton Moravec) Date: Fri Jul 10 07:58:53 2009 Subject: [DPRG] IMPORTANT: New home for DPRG World Headquarters needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1247230725.28984.144.camel@red.home> I have some attic space. Being an attic it gets hot and it is dusty. So I will take anything that is not affected by heat and is in a sealed box. I can sign up for about 10 boxes. The boxes should be labeled with DPRG and what is inside. Kip On Fri, 2009-07-10 at 00:44 -0400, DeltaGraph@aol.com wrote: > All, > > Steve and I cranked for about 5 hours on moving books and > magazines, PC accessories, electronic components into main area, that > we feel need a home. I think this relieved a big burden on everyone > attending meeting this Saturday. If anyone feels strongly that our > judgement is flawed then we suggest that person(s) store materials for > us until we have another home with space for books... > > The library retained almost 100% of robot related books, many > electronics books, AI books, machine vision books and some C,C > ++,Perl... books > > What is being offered (unless we have objections) > > Periodicals including Servo, Nuts and Volts, Nasa Tech Briefs and > others > Logic and Linear Device Data Books, > Microprocessor Data books Z80, HC11, 8051, 68332.. and others. > Linux Books > (est. about 50 linear feet of books and magazines available -- we kept > back about 20 linear feet of books) > > > If anyone is interested in the heavy duty work benches that David > Anderson and Will Kuhnle put together. Please speak up (we have > interest in one of the benches) These we figure would be difficult to > move / store. > Of course if someone wanted to step up and take one and actually give > it back when/if we find place where it would fit in, then great, but > no expectation would be placed on those that take the benches. > > > Also the two drawer/ two door cabinets are available. > > Steve is hoping someone will step up and offer $100 for the server > rack (really nice rack, he paid $1200 for) > Also the computer desk that sits next to rack is available. > About 4 17" Monitors are most likely available. > The number of computers TBA. I expect we will keep a few. > I would imagine Saturday we will make some decisions that will let > some go, I expect on that day. > > Not sure about the Fridge. I don't think Mike was interested. > > We are hoping to find some people to store some books...beyond that > the tables will occupy a volume of 2.5x6x3 feet MAX and just a bit > more for chairs. The Fabric covered red chairs could be sold off if > needed, but we would retain the plastic folding chairs that were just > purchased. > > Mike offered to give us his trailer. One thought is we could load all > tables and chairs on that (something like 8x6 foot trailer) and store > them, if we could find someone with some in door space. They would > also have use of the trailer... maybe at some point we could do a > trade if they stored our furniture for a given length of time. The > idea here is if we can find a place within say 6 months to a year and > we need to supply furniture, then we have it, but after such period of > time and no place located or we find a home where we don't need > furniture (tables chairs), we sell / give away. > > Scopes, choice books, tools (drill press brake shear) all would want > for indoor and reasonably climate controlled storage if possible... We > will have to decide best way to handle these items. > > > Hope to see a great turnout for the meeting this Saturday. > There is a small chance we will have one more meeting, but this has > not been determined. > > Please bring a box to take home some books and magazines. Also, for > items we determine have little chance of being taken home, bring a box > if you have access to paper recycle. > > Large furniture items need to be gone, ideally within about a week. We > really don't want to be caught against our deadline which is > approximately 2nd week in August. I am going to get exact date from > Mike within a day or so. > > Would be nice to find some uniformly sized boxes, i.e. about 10 book > boxes would be ideal. > > > > > Ron > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! > _______________________________________________ > DPRGlist mailing list > DPRGlist@dprg.org > http://list.dprg.org/mailman/listinfo/dprglist -- Kipton Moravec AE5IB .- . ..... .. -... ============================================== Four Way Test Is it the Truth? Is it Fair to all concerned? Will it build Goodwill and Better Friendships? Will it be Beneficial to all concerned? - Herbert J Taylor (1932) From kip at kdream.com Fri Jul 10 09:43:48 2009 From: kip at kdream.com (Kipton Moravec) Date: Fri Jul 10 09:43:54 2009 Subject: [DPRG] Test for Don Clay Message-ID: <1247237028.28984.154.camel@red.home> Don has been having trouble signing up to the dprg email list. I signed him up and am testing to see if he gets a message from the list. Your Postmaster, Kip -- Kipton Moravec AE5IB .- . ..... .. -... ============================================== Four Way Test Is it the Truth? Is it Fair to all concerned? Will it build Goodwill and Better Friendships? Will it be Beneficial to all concerned? - Herbert J Taylor (1932) From angryscientist at gmail.com Fri Jul 10 09:48:49 2009 From: angryscientist at gmail.com (A. Scientist) Date: Fri Jul 10 09:48:54 2009 Subject: [DPRG] IMPORTANT: New home for DPRG World Headquarters needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7fa751c80907100748j521ab6e8ue1532b9c83c52223@mail.gmail.com> Ron, Are there any pics of the rack? I may be interested in that. On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 11:44 PM, wrote: > All, > > Steve and I cranked for about 5 hours on moving books and magazines, PC > accessories, electronic components into main area, that we feel need a > home. I think this relieved a big burden on everyone attending meeting this > Saturday. If anyone feels strongly that our judgement is flawed then we > suggest that person(s) store materials for us until we have another home > with space for books... > > The library retained almost 100% of robot related books, many electronics > books, AI books, machine vision books and some C,C++,Perl... books > > What is being offered (unless we have objections) > > Periodicals including Servo, Nuts and Volts, Nasa Tech Briefs and others > Logic and Linear Device Data Books, > Microprocessor Data books Z80, HC11, 8051, 68332.. and others. > Linux Books > (est. about 50 linear feet of books and magazines available -- we kept back > about 20 linear feet of books) > > > If anyone is interested in the heavy duty work benches that David Anderson > and Will Kuhnle put together. Please speak up (we have interest in one of > the benches) These we figure would be difficult to move / store. > Of course if someone wanted to step up and take one and actually give it > back when/if we find place where it would fit in, then great, but no > expectation would be placed on those that take the benches. > > > Also the two drawer/ two door cabinets are available. > > Steve is hoping someone will step up and offer $100 for the server rack > (really nice rack, he paid $1200 for) > Also the computer desk that sits next to rack is available. > About 4 17" Monitors are most likely available. > The number of computers TBA. I expect we will keep a few. > I would imagine Saturday we will make some decisions that will let some go, > I expect on that day. > > Not sure about the Fridge. I don't think Mike was interested. > > We are hoping to find some people to store some books...beyond that the > tables will occupy a volume of 2.5x6x3 feet MAX and just a bit more for > chairs. The Fabric covered red chairs could be sold off if needed, but we > would retain the plastic folding chairs that were just purchased. > > Mike offered to give us his trailer. One thought is we could load all > tables and chairs on that (something like 8x6 foot trailer) and store them, > if we could find someone with some in door space. They would also have use > of the trailer... maybe at some point we could do a trade if they stored our > furniture for a given length of time. The idea here is if we can find a > place within say 6 months to a year and we need to supply furniture, then we > have it, but after such period of time and no place located or we find a > home where we don't need furniture (tables chairs), we sell / give away. > > Scopes, choice books, tools (drill press brake shear) all would want for > indoor and reasonably climate controlled storage if possible... We will have > to decide best way to handle these items. > > > Hope to see a great turnout for the meeting this Saturday. > There is a small chance we will have one more meeting, but this has not > been determined. > > Please bring a box to take home some books and magazines. Also, for items > we determine have little chance of being taken home, bring a box if you have > access to paper recycle. > > Large furniture items need to be gone, ideally within about a week. We > really don't want to be caught against our deadline which is approximately > 2nd week in August. I am going to get exact date from Mike within a day or > so. > > Would be nice to find some uniformly sized boxes, i.e. about 10 book boxes > would be ideal. > > > > > Ron > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > *A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! > * > > _______________________________________________ > DPRGlist mailing list > DPRGlist@dprg.org > http://list.dprg.org/mailman/listinfo/dprglist > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.dprg.org/pipermail/dprglist/attachments/20090710/febb4d77/attachment.html From DeltaGraph at aol.com Fri Jul 10 10:13:07 2009 From: DeltaGraph at aol.com (DeltaGraph@aol.com) Date: Fri Jul 10 10:13:34 2009 Subject: [DPRG] IMPORTANT: New home for DPRG World Headquarters needed Message-ID: All, Rud's suggestion is surely worth considering, but I think it might be a nice opportunity to shift RBNOs around a bit for the short term. Steve and I talked about this while we were going through DRPG library evening. The thought is look for about two locations that would host an RBNO once a month and possibly a 3rd random location that might be more like a one time deal. We have a few offers from various parties / businesses (for the one time RBNOs). Of course it would be nice to have a mini tool shop online at a location, but we might have to miss out on this for a while. Thanks Ed and Kip for offering space. We should have a good idea pretty soon how much we will require. I can offer some air-conditioned inside storage. Will have to see how much. I would think anything we can do to sweeten the deal for someone who could take tables and chairs would be worth while. Let them have choice of tools, equipment to use during the time. Perhaps some offer of cash.. Also, as Steve mentioned let's take care not to store things like most of the computers, because in a year there will be a new crop available from our members. Maybe some things we would want to store would have a life also. That is, if you take it (box whatever) to store we might decide to give it a death date where you could have / dispose of it.... Ron **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221323031x1201367232/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd= JulystepsfooterNO62) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.dprg.org/pipermail/dprglist/attachments/20090710/47beb0c7/attachment.html From DeltaGraph at aol.com Fri Jul 10 10:14:12 2009 From: DeltaGraph at aol.com (DeltaGraph@aol.com) Date: Fri Jul 10 10:14:42 2009 Subject: [DPRG] Re: Meeting This Saturday July 11 Roomba Message-ID: John, Sure bring your video on. Not sure what is going to happen this Saturday! I think we can expect a good turnout... Ron **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221323031x1201367232/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd= JulystepsfooterNO62) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.dprg.org/pipermail/dprglist/attachments/20090710/9ce29fd1/attachment-0001.html From DeltaGraph at aol.com Fri Jul 10 10:20:33 2009 From: DeltaGraph at aol.com (DeltaGraph@aol.com) Date: Fri Jul 10 10:21:00 2009 Subject: [DPRG] IMPORTANT: New home for DPRG World Headquarters needed Message-ID: Here is a picture of the rack. _http://www.dprg.org/gallery/warehouse/0248.html_ (http://www.dprg.org/gallery/warehouse/0248.html) What you are not seeing is the door(s). Maybe Steve can get you a picture. Has this slighty curved smoked lexan (or somesuch plastic) door with a second black hex grid (RF shield?) door that has nice finish -- really pretty spiffy. I kind of drooled over that last night Ron **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221323031x1201367232/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd= JulystepsfooterNO62) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.dprg.org/pipermail/dprglist/attachments/20090710/34a32fc2/attachment.html From srainwater at ncc.com Fri Jul 10 10:44:08 2009 From: srainwater at ncc.com (R. Steven Rainwater) Date: Fri Jul 10 10:44:10 2009 Subject: [DPRG] IMPORTANT: New home for DPRG World Headquarters needed In-Reply-To: <7fa751c80907100748j521ab6e8ue1532b9c83c52223@mail.gmail.com> References: <7fa751c80907100748j521ab6e8ue1532b9c83c52223@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1247240648.29792.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2009-07-10 at 09:48 -0500, A. Scientist wrote: > Are there any pics of the rack? I may be interested in that. I couldn't find any good photos of it in the DPRG gallery but it's barely visible at the very back of the room in the corner in these photos: http://www.dprg.org/gallery/warehouse/0242.html http://www.dprg.org/gallery/warehouse/0248.html Not visible in those photos are the front plexi door and the rear metal grill door which are not currently installed on the rack but are included with it for the $100. Also, I'm trying to sell another rack of the exact same model but with a slightly different configuration. Mine has more cable management hardware and a full-length sliding shelf. I'm asking $200 for my unit (but I'll probably take any reasonable offer). Here are photos and some specs on mine: http://www.ncc.com/auction/rack/ Both racks originally came from a defunct Irving-based dot com company who bought 6 of these racks for $1200 each. They were donated to the DPRG, who sold all but one. I bought one of them, which is the one I'm now selling. So, if you buy them both, you'll have a matching set! :) -Steve From angryscientist at gmail.com Fri Jul 10 11:05:40 2009 From: angryscientist at gmail.com (A. Scientist) Date: Fri Jul 10 11:05:46 2009 Subject: [DPRG] IMPORTANT: New home for DPRG World Headquarters needed In-Reply-To: <1247240648.29792.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <7fa751c80907100748j521ab6e8ue1532b9c83c52223@mail.gmail.com> <1247240648.29792.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <7fa751c80907100905p558b2e4dg1a2600c8efcc1219@mail.gmail.com> Sorry guys :( I need something that will fit or could be modified to fit inside a residential closet. On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 10:44 AM, R. Steven Rainwater wrote: > On Fri, 2009-07-10 at 09:48 -0500, A. Scientist wrote: > > Are there any pics of the rack? I may be interested in that. > > I couldn't find any good photos of it in the DPRG gallery but it's > barely visible at the very back of the room in the corner in these > photos: > > http://www.dprg.org/gallery/warehouse/0242.html > http://www.dprg.org/gallery/warehouse/0248.html > > Not visible in those photos are the front plexi door and the rear metal > grill door which are not currently installed on the rack but are > included with it for the $100. > > Also, I'm trying to sell another rack of the exact same model but with a > slightly different configuration. Mine has more cable management > hardware and a full-length sliding shelf. I'm asking $200 for my unit > (but I'll probably take any reasonable offer). Here are photos and some > specs on mine: > > http://www.ncc.com/auction/rack/ > > Both racks originally came from a defunct Irving-based dot com company > who bought 6 of these racks for $1200 each. They were donated to the > DPRG, who sold all but one. I bought one of them, which is the one I'm > now selling. So, if you buy them both, you'll have a matching set! :) > > > -Steve > > _______________________________________________ > DPRGlist mailing list > DPRGlist@dprg.org > http://list.dprg.org/mailman/listinfo/dprglist > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.dprg.org/pipermail/dprglist/attachments/20090710/172d9b2d/attachment.html From rayxu123 at gmail.com Fri Jul 10 12:05:32 2009 From: rayxu123 at gmail.com (Ray Xu) Date: Fri Jul 10 12:05:37 2009 Subject: [DPRG] Test for Don Clay In-Reply-To: <1247237028.28984.154.camel@red.home> References: <1247237028.28984.154.camel@red.home> Message-ID: <9b09785c0907101005j68c350e9q2520b8d55472ad35@mail.gmail.com> Which reminds me, recently I changed my email from rayxu@tx.rr.com to rayxu123@gmail.com, edited my membership on the list, and tried posting. Didn't work. That post was probably like from 2 weeks ago. If you see this email, then its been resolved some how. Ray Xu On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 8:43 AM, Kipton Moravec wrote: > Don has been having trouble signing up to the dprg email list. > > I signed him up and am testing to see if he gets a message from the > list. > > Your Postmaster, > Kip > -- > > > Kipton Moravec AE5IB .- . ..... .. -... > ============================================== > Four Way Test > Is it the Truth? > Is it Fair to all concerned? > Will it build Goodwill and Better Friendships? > Will it be Beneficial to all concerned? > - Herbert J Taylor (1932) > > > > _______________________________________________ > DPRGlist mailing list > DPRGlist@dprg.org > http://list.dprg.org/mailman/listinfo/dprglist > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://list.dprg.org/pipermail/dprglist/attachments/20090710/8e1eb52f/attachment.html From kip at kdream.com Fri Jul 10 14:05:23 2009 From: kip at kdream.com (Kipton Moravec) Date: Fri Jul 10 14:05:29 2009 Subject: [DPRG] Try #2 for Don Clay Message-ID: <1247252723.28984.193.camel@red.home> Test Message. -- Kipton Moravec AE5IB .- . ..... .. -... ============================================== Four Way Test Is it the Truth? Is it Fair to all concerned? Will it build Goodwill and Better Friendships? Will it be Beneficial to all concerned? - Herbert J Taylor (1932) From kip at kdream.com Fri Jul 10 14:07:19 2009 From: kip at kdream.com (Kipton Moravec) Date: Fri Jul 10 14:07:25 2009 Subject: [DPRG] Try #2 for Don Message-ID: <1247252839.28984.197.camel@red.home> Test message. -- Kipton Moravec AE5IB .- . ..... .. -... ============================================== Four Way Test Is it the Truth? Is it Fair to all concerned? Will it build Goodwill and Better Friendships? Will it be Beneficial to all concerned? - Herbert J Taylor (1932) From kip at kdream.com Fri Jul 10 14:57:09 2009 From: kip at kdream.com (Kipton Moravec) Date: Fri Jul 10 14:57:15 2009 Subject: [DPRG] Test Message #3 for Don Message-ID: <1247255829.28984.208.camel@red.home> Test Message. Sorry about all the messages but we are working with his ISP. Kip -- Kipton Moravec AE5IB .- . ..... .. -... ============================================== Four Way Test Is it the Truth? Is it Fair to all concerned? Will it build Goodwill and Better Friendships? Will it be Beneficial to all concerned? - Herbert J Taylor (1932) From donclay at earthlink.net Fri Jul 10 15:47:28 2009 From: donclay at earthlink.net (don clay) Date: Fri Jul 10 15:47:33 2009 Subject: [DPRG] test email Message-ID: <1004715.1247258848630.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> test email From donclay at earthlink.net Fri Jul 10 16:07:17 2009 From: donclay at earthlink.net (don clay) Date: Fri Jul 10 16:07:32 2009 Subject: [DPRG] testing. Message-ID: <4A575925.15608.254FCFCB@donclay.earthlink.net> This is a only a test. If it would have been a real message, you would have been directed to the local civil defense radio station for further instructions. From david at proboticsamerica.com Fri Jul 10 18:47:19 2009 From: david at proboticsamerica.com (David Jannke) Date: Fri Jul 10 18:48:17 2009 Subject: [DPRG] RE:DPRGlist Digest, Vol 62, Issue 6 In-Reply-To: <200907100535.n6A5ZiWj013400@skutter.ncc.com> References: <200907100535.n6A5ZiWj013400@skutter.ncc.com> Message-ID: <024801ca01b8$c38fc570$4aaf5050$@com> If things can be clearly tagged as DPRG, the Probotics America shop has spare air conditioned space enough for both tools and books. Furniture might be tough as it takes up lots of space. How much is needed? From DeltaGraph at aol.com Fri Jul 10 22:13:51 2009 From: DeltaGraph at aol.com (DeltaGraph@aol.com) Date: Fri Jul 10 22:14:28 2009 Subject: [DPRG] RE:DPRGlist Digest, Vol 62, Issue 6 Message-ID: David, Super thanks for offering space. We should be getting organized soon and have a good idea of what kind of space we need. At present we use the equivalent of about 10 - 6 foot tables. With tools occupying another 2 tables / benches worth of space. Maybe we can get a few of us over OR maybe plan an RBNO at your place within next month or so to see your vacuform setup and to see how well things would work out with us in your space. Also, we have some more work to do seeing where people are traveling from... and how far they are willing to travel... Ron **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221323031x1201367232/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd= JulystepsfooterNO62) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From: Scott Sumner Subject: Location for RBNO's and / or meetings Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 18:39:40 -0500 Size: 4088 Url: http://list.dprg.org/pipermail/dprglist/attachments/20090710/577bdc79/attachment-0001.mht From swindle at compuserve.com Sat Jul 11 02:09:40 2009 From: swindle at compuserve.com (John Swindle) Date: Sat Jul 11 02:09:40 2009 Subject: [DPRG] Re:Location for RBNO's and / or meetings References: <200907110320.n6B3KSq2015548@skutter.ncc.com> Message-ID: Scott and others: At least on my machine, Scott's message only showed up as a link, and when I followed the link, my browser didn't parse the HTML, so... Scott: I don't know if your offer for RBNO space was noticed by the membership. Maybe post it again as plain text. Later, John Swindle From DeltaGraph at aol.com Sat Jul 11 04:28:44 2009 From: DeltaGraph at aol.com (DeltaGraph@aol.com) Date: Sat Jul 11 04:28:02 2009 Subject: [DPRG] Location for RBNO's and / or meetings Message-ID: John/All This was the original message from Scott Sumner : (Hopefully this will make it..) Ron --------------- Ron -- I spoke with Andy, the owner of XMAX games (where I play assorted games throughout the week). They are located at 1931 Skillman in Dallas (Lakewood area). He'd be willing to host both RBNOs and monthly meetings at his store (for free). He just requests that you work with him on scheduling if the numbers of people are above 10. He's got a concrete floored room that can house the machine shop although it would have to be set up each time, stuff couldn't live there (and cleaning up the space afterwards). There's also ample space for robot courses, tables for working on them, 18 computers with internet access and WIFI free with any purchase (they suggest cokes -- $1 for the beverage and WIFI for the entire evening). The back parking lot would also be able to accommodate the outdoor robots we occasionally see. Scott **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221823300x1201398714/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd= JulystepsfooterNO62) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.dprg.org/pipermail/dprglist/attachments/20090711/46119cbe/attachment.html From DeltaGraph at aol.com Sat Jul 11 20:23:31 2009 From: DeltaGraph at aol.com (DeltaGraph@aol.com) Date: Sat Jul 11 20:23:51 2009 Subject: [DPRG] July Meeting + Packing Up And Moving Status Message-ID: All, We had a great meeting today. Thanks to all who attended! I am sure Paul's minutes will have many details I have left out here. Sorry, if I am stepping on your toes Paul -- main purpose of this email was originally to give status on moving which I have been obsessing over a bit -- making sure we get out on time. Dave from Probotics America (_www.ProboticsAmerica.com_ (http://www.ProboticsAmerica.com) ) attended and extended his offer to host RBNO at his company location ( Near 35 and Walnunt Hill Lane). I will make a point to stop by his place this Monday if that works out for Dave to get a better idea of space they have available. Sounds very promising for at least a monthly RBNO, then see where is goes and if our presence works out for Dave and us. We also have on the table and offer from Andy whose business is XMAX games at 1931 Skillman, just east of 75 which we need to check out. Also, I believe, as another possibilty, it would be great to find a North Dallas location closer to our current location for a non-conflicting RBNO. I believe Paul mentioned that he and Ed might ask around at UTD to see if there might be interest in having us. Very nice to meet some new people including Bob Cunningham, a classmate of Jim Tanner (Tanner Electronics) and Jeff Tregre who is an experienced model builder / electrical engineer (_www.BuildingUltimateModels.com_ (http://www.BuildingUltimateModels.com) ). Speaking of Tanner Electronics, if Probotics location works out -- very nice that just north on 35 is Tanner Electronics which might be a big plus, i.e., combining trips to RBNO and Tanners (nice if gas keeps climbing in $). Hey, and a thanks to Rocky and Rick bringing out Moon Dawg (Paul will elaborate) And another thanks to Paul for a brilliant report/presentation/demo on what he, Jonathan and Brock have been doing with Roomba (will let Paul elaborate there for sure). ----- On the MOVING FRONT. Nice progress - Charlie took the leftovers on data book giveaway - Charlie and Dale are potential takers for heavy workbenches -- anyone else want to get on the list? - Server rack still needs a home - Fridge? - Ed Okerson is buying the small A/C unit - We still need homes for Formica topped, two drawer, two door counter high cabinet units (they have wheels that can be reatached) - Ed Okerson offered up book boxes for library books If Probotics works out we may tote 3 or 4 tables and 1/2 chairs there. Also might be able to store equipment there -- Dave suggests DPRG labels on everything. (I will get a better Idea when I visit) Also, Ed Okerson expressed interest in doing work on Tankbot. I know Scott Sumner expressed interest also (I believe) so we need to work that out. This week would like to get firm claims on all items benches and cabinet modules and server rack or get stuff up on Craigslist -- so please speak up... Thanks for everyone's support and also offers to help move and store items. Also, a Get Well to our absent Librarian, Doug Emes, who must be close to 6'5" and 350 lbs who was taken down and beat up by 5th graders, at a church retreat, in what must of looked like something out of Gulliver's Travels. (The kids were having fun with Doug - aka Pinada Man -- and things got out of hand and now Doug is all bruised and can't get off the sofa). OK, I am in trouble now -- must quit. Regards Ron Grant **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221823300x1201398714/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd= JulystepsfooterNO62) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Will it build Goodwill and Better Friendships? Will it be Beneficial to all concerned? - Herbert J Taylor (1932) From rayxu123 at gmail.com Sun Jul 12 23:57:54 2009 From: rayxu123 at gmail.com (Ray Xu) Date: Sun Jul 12 23:57:59 2009 Subject: [DPRG] MOSFET gate charge Message-ID: <9b09785c0907122157o3a689806v67a5a896667f67b1@mail.gmail.com> Hi group, I have one quick question that I can barely find any info on on the web: What exactly is the MOSFET Gate charge? My situation here is that I'm building a op amp current source circuit for a laser diode controller, with the MOSFET "driving" the laser diode; sourcing current into the diode. However, when simulating my current source circuit, I find that N-Type enhancement MOSFETs with different on resistances (self explanatory) and different Gate Charge values will either output the correct current, or just output some other current that is far off than the calculated current supposed to be outputted. I'm using MOSFETs since they're more precise than BJTs (less leakage current, etc). >From what I read so far, the Gate Charge is the required amount of charge when a transient is present (?? Doesn't make any sense to me). Any enlightenment would be appreciated. Thanks Ray Xu rayxu123@gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.dprg.org/pipermail/dprglist/attachments/20090712/10e8be47/attachment.html From rayxu123 at gmail.com Mon Jul 13 00:06:12 2009 From: rayxu123 at gmail.com (Ray Xu) Date: Mon Jul 13 00:06:18 2009 Subject: [DPRG] Found Canon Digital Camera in Fort Worth. In-Reply-To: <1247460275.28984.294.camel@red.home> References: <1247460275.28984.294.camel@red.home> Message-ID: <9b09785c0907122206y47ae4a56wa7c8e595c4b3bb06@mail.gmail.com> Sorry for double-posting and for "hijacking" a previous thread, something went wrong with Gmail and my internet, and it seems like the only way of communicating with the group is to reply to a present topic (eversince I changed my email). Anyways: Hi group, I have one quick question that I can barely find any info on on the web: What exactly is the MOSFET Gate charge? My situation here is that I'm building a op amp current source circuit for a laser diode controller, with the MOSFET "driving" the laser diode; sourcing current into the diode. However, when simulating my current source circuit, I find that N-Type enhancement MOSFETs with different on resistances (self explanatory) and different Gate Charge values will either output the correct current, or just output some other current that is far off than the calculated current supposed to be outputted. I'm using MOSFETs since they're more precise than BJTs (less leakage current, etc). >From what I read so far, the Gate Charge is the required amount of charge when a transient is present (?? Doesn't make any sense to me). Any enlightenment would be appreciated. Thanks Ray Xu rayxu123@gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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MoonDawg will have a new set of batteries by then [sorry guys]. but i dont feel too bad, the roomba pooped out too. i think it's time to invest in li-ion. lighter, stronger, longer life. worth the extra expense. anyone know of a good source? i need some for my personal wheelchair as well, 24v, 50-75a. ? btw: Rick is our team chemist. he is currently researching the odd & unique properties of lunar regolith. the more we know about this stuff, the better we can manipulate it to our advantage. i should receive his report by the end of this week...???? right Rick?? :) ? until then, i'll be attempting to build?a scooping?tread system for the wheels. i now have 3 very interesting and completely different designs,?all of which are somewhat expensive and time consuming to assemble due to the number of parts required. so if you like rippin thru metal bar, drilling holes and poppin' rivets this is the place to be [free pizza] hey, who said that?. ? speaking of Domino's, we still do not have a sponsor nor anyone even considering becoming a sponsor. this is a tough year for us... and just days away from [pepperoni] registration deadline of July 15th! please spread the word to others, companies, individuals, the mafia, rich sexy women, anyone whom you think might be interested in sponsoring the spaceminers this year. [extra cheeese] or maybe they might know someone [like bacon]. okay, i just made myself hungry. ? need to redesign the way the bucket dumps the moondirt over the 2ft wall. it must be faster and?more efficient than using a linear actuator. I'm thinking about a solenoid actuated?quick-release latch for dumping an off-balance bucket, and a space bungy to?swing the bucket back up and into the latched position. the complete dump cycle should only take 2 seconds! downside- latches can get stuck. bucket may not relatch?after dumping. bungy snap! critical design area. any suggestions? ? lastly, i have a backup joystick and controller unit if anyone would like to probe and crack?the pwm signals. once we know the code we can emulate the joystick with a few computer controlled 555 timers. the next step would be to?implement a bluetooth joystick and/or?wi-fi and drive moondawg using controls on a webpage. getting tired of running over the joystick cable :( ?? robotrock ? ? ? ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.dprg.org/pipermail/dprglist/attachments/20090712/283f394c/attachment.html From DeltaGraph at aol.com Mon Jul 13 05:11:33 2009 From: DeltaGraph at aol.com (DeltaGraph@aol.com) Date: Mon Jul 13 05:12:06 2009 Subject: [DPRG] July 2009 Meeting Minutes Message-ID: DPRG Monthly Meeting minutes 7/11/09 Present: 25 people - near-complete list: Dave Jannke (Probotics America), John Swindle, John Kuhlenschmidt, Brock Marks, Nathan & Bruce Harlan, Steve Rainwater, Glenn Pipe, Ed Paradis, Jason Oliver, Martin Meier + Jennifer, Will Kuhnle, Charlie Youngblood, Jeff Koenig, Rocky, Rick Parker, Jeff Tregre, Bob Cunningham, Ron Grant, Paul Bouchier, Paul Florian Notes - Ron recapped the club's use of the WHQ which Mike Dodson had very kindly donated to the club for the last 6 years [turns out 8 years]. Mike has given the club effectively about $25k worth of free rent. The club is greatly indebted to him for his generosity. - The club needs to skinny down in terms of "stuff". Everything needs to go to a home. Stuff needing to find a home: - The big benches need to go to a home (we wouldn't probably see them back). - tables & chairs: we want to keep the folding tables/chairs somewhere - most computers need to go - we'll hang onto a few - Some of the mechanical tools/equipment, & the electronic equipment needs to remain with the club but be stored somewhere - There's an idea that we could have a "traveling" monthly meeting, maybe at alternating locations every other week - Dave Jannke (from Probotics) offered a fair amount of spare space at I35 & Walnut Hill for meetings or RBNOs, & has tools which he offered for club use at RBNO. We could maybe have a monthly RBNO there. He has some storage space for stuff that would need to be clearly labeled. - Paul presented the Roomba work going on in the club. Uses a library from the book "Hacking Roomba" by Tod Kurt. Code download at _http://hackingroomba.com/code/_ (http://hackingroomba.com/code/) - Jeff showed a kids car axle + motor assembly which he had mounted Northern Hydraulic wheels on. He's using 12V 20Ah batteries which he gets from BG-Micro for $15. - Idea: fill the wheels with foam to keep them the same diameter - Idea: Use relays in an H-bridge & Fets in the supply to the bridge for speed control - takes fewer FETS - Ed Okerson showed his mini-balancing robot kit that he brought back from Japan. It has a gyro & accelerometer $100, assembly instructions in Japanese - Rocky (and Rick) showed MoonDawg, but could not operate it due to battery problems - promised to show at future RBNO/Meeting see _www.youtube.com/spaceminers_ (http://www.youtube.com/spaceminers) **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222585090x1201462820/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=Jul yExcfooterNO62) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.dprg.org/pipermail/dprglist/attachments/20090713/38a3811f/attachment-0001.html From rbickle at intconsys.com Mon Jul 13 12:15:03 2009 From: rbickle at intconsys.com (Rick Bickle) Date: Mon Jul 13 12:15:12 2009 Subject: [DPRG] MOSFET gate charge In-Reply-To: <9b09785c0907122157o3a689806v67a5a896667f67b1@mail.gmail.com> References: <9b09785c0907122157o3a689806v67a5a896667f67b1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <86B0F17FAFA32E41ABE4894338D8D003032F@helios2.IntConSys.local> Ray, The gate of a MOSFET is basically a capacitor with respect to the source. Thus you get current flow during a "transient" (read as: change in voltage) across the gate. It will only draw current when being switched on or off. (This is mainly why high speed processors draw so much current.) For steady state applications, MOSFETS are great as they draw virtually no current at the gate as compared with a BJT. At higher switching speeds however, you need to supply the gate more and more current to achieve fast switching. Check the specifications on the part for the gate capacitance, and the Gate voltage threshold Vgs. Remember that the terminology on MOSFETS is a little different from BJT's. Source = Emitter, Drain = Collector, and Gate = Base. MOSFETS refer to electron flow (negative) while BJT's refer to hole flow (positive). The source of electrons is equivalent to the emitter of holes. Also remember that the Vgs (Gate voltage with respect to the source) will change if you use a N-Channel MOSFET to source power to a load. (Drain connected to VCC) This means that your MOSFET gate will have to be at least Vgs above your load voltage. This is why N-Channel MOSFETS require high side drivers when used In the top half of an H-Bridge motor driver. If possible in your circuit, use the N-Channel MOSFET to sink the load (Source connected to GND) so that your Vgs is referenced to ground. I'd love to see this laser rangefinder when it's working... Good Luck, Rick From: dprglist-bounces@dprg.org [mailto:dprglist-bounces@dprg.org] On Behalf Of Ray Xu Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009 11:58 PM To: dprglist@dprg.org Subject: [DPRG] MOSFET gate charge Hi group, I have one quick question that I can barely find any info on on the web: What exactly is the MOSFET Gate charge? My situation here is that I'm building a op amp current source circuit for a laser diode controller, with the MOSFET "driving" the laser diode; sourcing current into the diode. However, when simulating my current source circuit, I find that N-Type enhancement MOSFETs with different on resistances (self explanatory) and different Gate Charge values will either output the correct current, or just output some other current that is far off than the calculated current supposed to be outputted. I'm using MOSFETs since they're more precise than BJTs (less leakage current, etc). >From what I read so far, the Gate Charge is the required amount of charge when a transient is present (?? Doesn't make any sense to me). Any enlightenment would be appreciated. Thanks Ray Xu rayxu123@gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Rick From: dprglist-bounces@dprg.org [mailto:dprglist-bounces@dprg.org] On Behalf Of DeltaGraph@aol.com Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 10:14 PM To: david@proboticsamerica.com; dprglist@dprg.org Subject: Re: [DPRG] RE:DPRGlist Digest, Vol 62, Issue 6 David, Super thanks for offering space. We should be getting organized soon and have a good idea of what kind of space we need. At present we use the equivalent of about 10 - 6 foot tables. With tools occupying another 2 tables / benches worth of space. Maybe we can get a few of us over OR maybe plan an RBNO at your place within next month or so to see your vacuform setup and to see how well things would work out with us in your space. Also, we have some more work to do seeing where people are traveling from... and how far they are willing to travel... Ron ________________________________ A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Scientist) Date: Mon Jul 13 18:09:20 2009 Subject: [DPRG] HAL In-Reply-To: <20090713.163841.7057.0@webmail11.dca.untd.com> References: <20090713.163841.7057.0@webmail11.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: <7fa751c80907131609q2d123e49qfcac8f4a27f7ec4c@mail.gmail.com> "root" is the username for the password mentioned below On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 4:38 PM, tester140@juno.com wrote: > It is also asking for a login name. What might that be? > > ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: "R. Steven Rainwater" > To: "tester140@juno.com" > Subject: Re: [DPRG] HAL > Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 14:53:08 -0500 > > On Sun, 2009-07-12 at 12:27 +0000, tester140@juno.com wrote: > > Does anyone know, remember the password for HAL ? > > If this is a Linux box, the root password may be dprg03. > > -Steve > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Click here for great quotes from top international movers! > > _______________________________________________ > DPRGlist mailing list > DPRGlist@dprg.org > http://list.dprg.org/mailman/listinfo/dprglist > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.dprg.org/pipermail/dprglist/attachments/20090713/28a03c99/attachment.html From ed at okerson.com Mon Jul 13 18:14:32 2009 From: ed at okerson.com (ed@okerson.com) Date: Mon Jul 13 18:20:21 2009 Subject: [DPRG] HAL In-Reply-To: <7fa751c80907131609q2d123e49qfcac8f4a27f7ec4c@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090713.163841.7057.0@webmail11.dca.untd.com> <7fa751c80907131609q2d123e49qfcac8f4a27f7ec4c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3434.173.74.117.45.1247526872.squirrel@mail.okerson.com> If you are unfamiliar with Linux I would recommend you not log in as root. Please get help from someone who is familiar with the system. What is it you are attempting to do? Ed Okerson > "root" is the username for the password mentioned below > > On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 4:38 PM, tester140@juno.com > wrote: > >> It is also asking for a login name. What might that be? >> >> ---------- Original Message ---------- >> From: "R. Steven Rainwater" >> To: "tester140@juno.com" >> Subject: Re: [DPRG] HAL >> Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 14:53:08 -0500 >> >> On Sun, 2009-07-12 at 12:27 +0000, tester140@juno.com wrote: >> > Does anyone know, remember the password for HAL ? >> >> If this is a Linux box, the root password may be dprg03. >> >> -Steve >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> Click here for great quotes from top international >> movers! >> >> _______________________________________________ >> DPRGlist mailing list >> DPRGlist@dprg.org >> http://list.dprg.org/mailman/listinfo/dprglist >> >> > _______________________________________________ > DPRGlist mailing list > DPRGlist@dprg.org > http://list.dprg.org/mailman/listinfo/dprglist > From tester140 at juno.com Mon Jul 13 23:25:47 2009 From: tester140 at juno.com (tester140@juno.com) Date: Mon Jul 13 23:27:41 2009 Subject: [DPRG] HAL Message-ID: <20090713.232547.21472.0@webmail18.dca.untd.com> I'm testing the system out, to see what is still on it. I don't know if this is the system that was dual boot that was in the library room or not. It would be nice to have a Linux system that is working, otherwise I'll load it back to original. The hardware configuration is unique and I assume that it is already set up to take advantage of it. That way I won't have to hunt up drivers. Oh yea, every hour or so, it chants like in a monostery. ---------- Original Message ---------- From: ed@okerson.com To: dprglist@dprg.org Subject: Re: [DPRG] HAL Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 18:14:32 -0500 (CDT) If you are unfamiliar with Linux I would recommend you not log in as root. Please get help from someone who is familiar with the system. What is it you are attempting to do? Ed Okerson > "root" is the username for the password mentioned below > > On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 4:38 PM, tester140@juno.com > wrote: > >> It is also asking for a login name. What might that be? >> >> ---------- Original Message ---------- >> From: "R. Steven Rainwater" >> To: "tester140@juno.com" >> Subject: Re: [DPRG] HAL >> Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 14:53:08 -0500 >> >> On Sun, 2009-07-12 at 12:27 +0000, tester140@juno.com wrote: >> > Does anyone know, remember the password for HAL ? >> >> If this is a Linux box, the root password may be dprg03. >> >> -Steve >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> Click here for great quotes from top international >> movers! >> >> _______________________________________________ >> DPRGlist mailing list >> DPRGlist@dprg.org >> http://list.dprg.org/mailman/listinfo/dprglist >> >> > _______________________________________________ > DPRGlist mailing list > DPRGlist@dprg.org > http://list.dprg.org/mailman/listinfo/dprglist > _______________________________________________ DPRGlist mailing list DPRGlist@dprg.org http://list.dprg.org/mailman/listinfo/dprglist ____________________________________________________________ Digital Photography - Click Now. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/BLSrjnsCN44wJHtZNNQfuo7R6o5OPV7SOny6ZaezHk2yVgsmHsht4A5wfg0/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If this is a Linux box, the root password may be dprg03. -Steve _______________________________________________ DPRGlist mailing list DPRGlist@dprg.org http://list.dprg.org/mailman/listinfo/dprglist ____________________________________________________________ Improve your driving ability with a stop at traffic school. Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/BLSrjnsKnbVJahMMTr7Q2qD6fRaEbzVbVZPC0F6g4sMrdMc5tj8OtwybnLy/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.dprg.org/pipermail/dprglist/attachments/20090714/9e0fb50c/attachment.html From ed at okerson.com Tue Jul 14 06:01:37 2009 From: ed at okerson.com (ed@okerson.com) Date: Tue Jul 14 06:07:28 2009 Subject: Fw: Re: [DPRG] HAL In-Reply-To: <20090714.015131.28526.0@webmail09.dca.untd.com> References: <20090714.015131.28526.0@webmail09.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: <3310.173.74.117.45.1247569297.squirrel@mail.okerson.com> If it has no gui, then it was configured to be a server (most access is via the network, not local). I don't know what distribution is installed on that machine, but if you want to start learning and playing with Linux I highly recommend Ubuntu Descktop Edition. It is easy to install, and has a nice GUI. http://www.ubuntu.com/ Ed > Yup, thats it. Prompt only, no gui. :-( > > ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- > From: "A. Scientist" > > "root" is the username for the password mentioned below > > On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 4:38 PM, tester140@juno.com wrote: > It is also asking for a login name. What might that be? > > ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: "R. Steven Rainwater" > > On Sun, 2009-07-12 at 12:27 +0000, tester140@juno.com wrote: >> Does anyone know, remember the password for HAL ? > > If this is a Linux box, the root password may be dprg03. > > -Steve > > _______________________________________________ > DPRGlist mailing list > DPRGlist@dprg.org > http://list.dprg.org/mailman/listinfo/dprglist > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Improve your driving ability with a stop at traffic school. Click now! > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/BLSrjnsKnbVJahMMTr7Q2qD6fRaEbzVbVZPC0F6g4sMrdMc5tj8OtwybnLy/_______________________________________________ > DPRGlist mailing list > DPRGlist@dprg.org > http://list.dprg.org/mailman/listinfo/dprglist > From DeltaGraph at aol.com Tue Jul 14 07:30:48 2009 From: DeltaGraph at aol.com (DeltaGraph@aol.com) Date: Tue Jul 14 07:30:57 2009 Subject: Fw: Re: [DPRG] HAL Message-ID: Charlie, Ubuntu sounds like a good idea .. only You might want to check out the requirements for RAM and disk space. I think that machine is pretty old. Might be a reason that it does not have a GUI running... Maybe stick with Ed's suggestion and get 10X the machine on freecycle or off the curb on large item / brush pickup day or something. Ron **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221323036x1201367247/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=Jul yExcfooterNO62) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.dprg.org/pipermail/dprglist/attachments/20090714/86dead3a/attachment.html From srainwater at ncc.com Tue Jul 14 10:11:04 2009 From: srainwater at ncc.com (R. Steven Rainwater) Date: Tue Jul 14 10:11:06 2009 Subject: [DPRG] HAL In-Reply-To: <20090713.232547.21472.0@webmail18.dca.untd.com> References: <20090713.232547.21472.0@webmail18.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: <1247584264.7097.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2009-07-14 at 04:25 +0000, tester140@juno.com wrote: > The hardware configuration is unique and I assume that it is > already set up to take advantage of it. That way I won't have > to hunt up drivers. Oh yea, every hour or so, it chants > like in a monostery. That's the box we were using as the network file server at the warehouse. It also contains the frame grabber David Anderson gave us, a PCI card that we used to sample the video camera. It would be handy if you could pull that card and get it back to the DPRG, we may be able to use it in the future, either for another webcam setup or on a robot. -Steve From brad.list at thingbuilder.com Tue Jul 14 10:11:37 2009 From: brad.list at thingbuilder.com (BBBB) Date: Tue Jul 14 10:11:42 2009 Subject: [DPRG] HAL In-Reply-To: <20090713.232547.21472.0@webmail18.dca.untd.com> References: <20090713.232547.21472.0@webmail18.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: <4A5CA029.6050909@thingbuilder.com> tester140@juno.com wrote: > I'm testing the system out, ........... Oh yea, every hour or so, it chants like > in a monostery. > I remember DPA posting sound files and cron info for this. Maybe he has some answers for you. Bradley From tester140 at juno.com Tue Jul 14 11:21:55 2009 From: tester140 at juno.com (tester140@juno.com) Date: Tue Jul 14 11:24:26 2009 Subject: [DPRG] HAL Message-ID: <20090714.112155.10018.0@webmail11.dca.untd.com> >From what I recall, DPA had a big part in setting this machine up. Also I remember there being a notebook with documentation on it. I'll have to look when I go to RBNO tonight. ---------- Original Message ---------- From: BBBB brad.list@thingbuilder.com tester140@juno.com wrote: > I'm testing the system out, ........... Oh yea, every hour or so, it chants like > in a monostery. > I remember DPA posting sound files and cron info for this. Maybe he has some answers for you. Bradley ____________________________________________________________ Everything looks better on a beautiful new projector screen! Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/BLSrjnsHj4QYi3IinFZ1PI4wV5nTA8YXiodxKU3Cw9YPwch67EJU27nc7eg/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.dprg.org/pipermail/dprglist/attachments/20090714/c6c37e30/attachment.html From DeltaGraph at aol.com Tue Jul 14 16:51:51 2009 From: DeltaGraph at aol.com (DeltaGraph@aol.com) Date: Tue Jul 14 16:52:05 2009 Subject: [DPRG] RBNO July 14 Message-ID: All, Tonight we need to find people to adopt the work benches and some of the cabinets -- either temporary or permanent adoption. We will put unclaimed items on Craigslist for a week. That said, would be nice to move stuff from benches to tables and stage benches for sale / pickup... See you later. Ron **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221323036x1201367247/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=Jul yExcfooterNO62) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.dprg.org/pipermail/dprglist/attachments/20090714/f22b358c/attachment.html From DeltaGraph at aol.com Wed Jul 15 10:20:16 2009 From: DeltaGraph at aol.com (DeltaGraph@aol.com) Date: Wed Jul 15 10:20:38 2009 Subject: [DPRG] RBNO July 14 Message-ID: All, Glenn and Charlie are adopting the workbenches. Great! Too much work went in to those to see those go to the curb. What remains are 3 two drawer two door bench high cabinets, the server rack and some spare shelves. If anyone needs the Fridge that Dan donated, let us (or me) know. Steve, could you send me dimensions of server rack and any thing you would think relevant to an ad, Pam will post -- also, I took some snaps, showing unit with door on. Might try posting two drawer cabinet things on craigslist too -- for a week. Maybe $20-25 each, see if any interest -- then free. We still need to do some culling down a bit on cables and stuff IMHO, but we are close. Charlie can tow Mike's trailer to move folding tables and chairs. We will take up Paul on Stowing two logic analyzers and good scope. Don't know what status of two other scopes -- they seem to work -- maybe we can find some one or two members who would be custodians to them. At this point I am thinking next week. We do some more packing and culling and still holding RBNO Then the following week, July 28th will be our final RBNO. We have a party/ normal RBNO and at conclusion load and pack the trailer, with tables and chairs. Let me talk to Dave and Probotics first. Also, we might need to offer up some help to organize / cleanup the room that will hold our stuff. Also, on tables and chairs we need to figure out how much will go to Probotics and how much we will need to store. Ron **************Performance you need and the value you want! Check out great laptop deals from Dell! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1223081934x1201714279/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Faltfarm.mediaplex.com%2Fad%2Fck%2F12309%2D819 39%2D1629%2D4) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.dprg.org/pipermail/dprglist/attachments/20090715/a207e4cb/attachment.html From DeltaGraph at aol.com Wed Jul 15 18:31:46 2009 From: DeltaGraph at aol.com (DeltaGraph@aol.com) Date: Wed Jul 15 18:32:18 2009 Subject: [DPRG] Looking for small VGA compatible touch screen LCD Message-ID: Hello, A buddy from my TI consulting days, Vern Porter, one of the guys working on a proto-flying-car, is looking for a small color touch screen, VGA compatible LCD monitor (like around 7" to 10"), for the flying car. I found this one that looked interesting. _Lilliput 7" VGA Touchscreen 619GL-70NP_ (http://store.mp3car.com/Lilliput_7_VGA_Touchscreen_619GL_70NP_p/mon-001.htm) $224 is a bit pricey considering you can get a non-touch mini laptop for about same price. Anyone have any experience with such animals? BTW, I think these guys are on the list for doing a one-time RBNO in the near future. Ron **************Performance you need and the value you want! Check out great laptop deals from Dell! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1223081934x1201714279/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Faltfarm.mediaplex.com%2Fad%2Fck%2F12309%2D819 39%2D1629%2D4) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Putting determination the receiver location aside, I would assume the goal would be to solve for azimuth angle, elevation angle and initial velocity to minimize the kinetic energy of the can when it reaches the receiver. I guess when you think about it, if one expects the receiver (hand) to exist on a given horizontal plane, then with the calculation of azimuth the problem has been reduced to the simple 2D problem presented in high school physics texts. Of course you might have to take in to account maximum height of projectile being limited to ceiling height, so you might need variable velocity on the projectile complicating the machine just a bit. Maybe one is better served by walking over to the fridge. Ron **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222585099x1201462822/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=Jul yExcfooterNO62) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.dprg.org/pipermail/dprglist/attachments/20090719/4c05fc5f/attachment.html From DeltaGraph at aol.com Sun Jul 19 08:28:25 2009 From: DeltaGraph at aol.com (DeltaGraph@aol.com) Date: Sun Jul 19 08:28:35 2009 Subject: [DPRG] Moon Day Celebration at Frontiers of Flight Museum Message-ID: All, Ken Murphy of Dallas NSS (National Space Society) invited us to do a robot expo at Frontiers of Flight Museum at Love Field today as part of a Moon Day celebration. We did not have people resources on hand and with our move out of Garland WHQ would have been even more demands.. Might be worth checking out if you are interested in space / moon exploration.. Today 1pm-5pm. _http://www.flightmuseum.com/docs/fofm_moonday.pdf_ (http://www.flightmuseum.com/docs/fofm_moonday.pdf) Ron **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222585099x1201462822/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=Jul yExcfooterNO62) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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'thought control' interface for your computer! ? as soon as i find the name of the manufacturer of the dry ecg sensors, i will email it to you.?it is also?a great investment as other companies will be purchasing these sensors to implement into their hardware. ? until then, read every webpage from both of the above mentioned websites. there are videos showing these products in action. ? just remember me when you make your millions off of this :) ? robotrock =] ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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We did not have people resources on hand and with our move out > of Garland WHQ would have been even more demands.. > > Might be worth checking out if you are interested in space / moon > exploration.. > Today 1pm-5pm. > > http://www.flightmuseum.com/docs/fofm_moonday.pdf > > Ron > > > > > ------------------------------ > *An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! > * > > _______________________________________________ > DPRGlist mailing list > DPRGlist@dprg.org > http://list.dprg.org/mailman/listinfo/dprglist > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Ray Xu On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 8:47 PM, vincent lopresti wrote: > 40th anniversary MoonDay event at www.flightmuseum.com > > i went. i setup. i robotized them! > > moondawg was there! received lots of compliments and positive feedback.. > the kids were unsure what to think about moondawgy. > but they loved Emiglio! the spaceminers pr robot [looks like a baby > stormtrooper] > sold quite a few led floppy space frisbees. > nss took a few photos. when i get them i will forward. > wish i woulda had some dprg flyers to hand out... and a roomba to help > emiglio with all the kids! one boy asked me to get out of my wheelchair so > he could drive it around! too cute :) > > i may not ever win a centennial challenge or even moonwalk [moonroll] on > the moon. but i can surely inspire the younger generation while attempting > to do so. inspiration has resonance. as they get inspired over my robots, i > get inspired to build more! > > c'mon group! let's pump out some robots!! > > robotrock =] > > > _______________________________________________ > DPRGlist mailing list > DPRGlist@dprg.org > http://list.dprg.org/mailman/listinfo/dprglist > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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This fall, SEE launches its programming by offering one of Stanford?s most popular sequences: the three-course Introduction to Computer Science taken by the majority of Stanford?s undergraduates and seven more advanced courses in artificial intelligence and electrical engineering." _http://see.stanford.edu/default.aspx_ (http://slickdeals.net/?sdtid=926600&u2=http://see.stanford.edu/default.aspx) Classes- Introduction to Computer Science Programming Methodology CS106A Programming Abstractions CS106B Programming Paradigms CS107 Artificial Intelligence Introduction to Robotics CS223A Natural Language Processing CS224N Machine Learning CS229 Linear Systems and Optimization The Fourier Transform and its Applications EE261 Introduction to Linear Dynamical Systems EE263 Convex Optimization I EE364A Convex Optimization II EE364B **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221323041x1201367261/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=Jul yExcfooterNO62) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.dprg.org/pipermail/dprglist/attachments/20090720/a173ee34/attachment-0001.html From swindle at compuserve.com Mon Jul 20 16:37:52 2009 From: swindle at compuserve.com (John Swindle) Date: Mon Jul 20 16:38:07 2009 Subject: [DPRG] Stanford Online Free Engineering Courses References: <200907201507.n6KF7TUJ028341@skutter.ncc.com> Message-ID: <628D8374D77A47B989D8B5905DABAAD8@LocalHost> Ron: Thanks for the reference to the SEE courses. You and the others may already know it, but on the other coast, I think the entire curriculum of MIT is online, for all departments. It's been a while since I looked at it, but I think MIT intended to have a completely open curriculum accessible to anyone free. Good luck with all the stuff at the WHQ. I'm away for two weeks, so I can't help, and, No, I didn't make up a new travel schedule when I saw how much stuff had to move! Although I can't help move anything until next month, I could take one of the big workbenches (to keep or to give back later) when I get back, and I do have some air conditioned space (a walk-in closet) for storage. If someone needs to shuffle stuff around after the big move, maybe I can help. Later, John Swindle From DeltaGraph at aol.com Mon Jul 20 17:35:40 2009 From: DeltaGraph at aol.com (DeltaGraph@aol.com) Date: Mon Jul 20 17:36:04 2009 Subject: [DPRG] Stanford Online Free Engineering Courses Message-ID: John, Thanks on MIT info. No problem on move. We have distributed processing (human robots) taking care of everything. We are losing some nice benches, but becoming much more light weight in the process. Ron **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221323041x1201367261/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=Jul yExcfooterNO62) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.dprg.org/pipermail/dprglist/attachments/20090720/6581dd47/attachment.html From dale at dalewheat.com Mon Jul 20 18:02:33 2009 From: dale at dalewheat.com (Dale Wheat) Date: Mon Jul 20 18:02:30 2009 Subject: [DPRG] Last RBNO at WHQ-Galrand Message-ID: <4A64F789.5010304@dalewheat.com> If I understand the schedule correctly, tomorrow (21 July 2009) is the penultimate RBNO at the WHQ in Garland (Modern Assemblies bldg), with the very last RBNO next week (28 July 2009). Does anyone know or be willing to predict if there will be any tables or internet access on these dates? Ron was fervently cleaning house at the previous RBNO last week and when Ron gets moving, things get done. I'm wanting to conduct a hands-on class next week and need to know if I should arrange for another location. Any thoughts? Thanks, Dale Wheat (972) 486-1317 (877) DALE WHEAT http://dalewheat.com From christopher.jang at yahoo.com Mon Jul 20 22:31:41 2009 From: christopher.jang at yahoo.com (Chris Jang) Date: Mon Jul 20 22:31:46 2009 Subject: [DPRG] Stanford Online Free Engineering Courses In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <505036.90672.qm@web44907.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> > Machine Learning CS229 > Convex Optimization I EE364A > Convex Optimization II EE364B Hello, the single most illuminating tutorial I've seen on machine learning is the one by Christopher Burges about support vector machines. It was after reading this that machine learning made sense for me. The discussion of model capacity and structural risk is good and applies to machine learning generally. This is a great paper. http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/um/people/cburges/papers/SVMTutorial.pdf SVM is only one approach. However, if you know only one way, I believe this is the one to know - the linear classifier (with kernel trick). It is probably the way most engineers prefer to see things. It's close to vector spaces and numbers. Statisticians see things in terms of abstract distributions which I find difficult to follow. If you wonder why you didn't see any of this in school, one reason is that much of the theory was only invented in the mid-1990s. It's relatively new. From DeltaGraph at aol.com Mon Jul 20 22:53:27 2009 From: DeltaGraph at aol.com (DeltaGraph@aol.com) Date: Mon Jul 20 22:53:49 2009 Subject: [DPRG] Last RBNO at WHQ-Galrand Message-ID: Tricky Dale, Would be nice to have a bunch of people show for last RBNO. We will have tables, and chairs, but I would expect more of a social gathering. Future locations are likely going to have better acoustical properties. Probotics has carpet and drop ceiling. Maybe you could/would put it off for a month???? Maybe you could set it up at XMAX games location where we want to try out some RBNOs??? I wish I knew how these last RBNOs were going to go. I know we have more work to do to get packed up... just not sure how much... Ron **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221323041x1201367261/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=Jul yExcfooterNO62) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.dprg.org/pipermail/dprglist/attachments/20090720/90da3ba2/attachment.html From dale at dalewheat.com Wed Jul 22 16:19:07 2009 From: dale at dalewheat.com (Dale Wheat) Date: Wed Jul 22 16:19:02 2009 Subject: [DPRG] Breadboard Adruino class at Very Last RBNO Message-ID: <4A67824B.3090203@dalewheat.com> RBNO folks, Next week on Tuesday, 28 July 2009 at 7:00 PM I will be celebrating our Very Last RBNO at the Modern Assemblies location in Garland TX by conducting a "Breadboard Arduino" hands-on class. In this class attendees will build an "Arduino-compatible" microcontroller circuit on a solderless breadboard and use the free (in every sense) software to write and download programs. All required components and example programs will be provided. Participants will need to bring a laptop computer with a reasonably recent operating system and a working USB port. See the Arduino.cc website for exact system requirements. Go ahead and download and install the Arduino IDE software for your favorite OS (Mac, Linux & Windows currently supported. Sorry BeOS fans!). The class is expected to last somewhere between 90 minutes to 2 hours, but we will stay until everyone leaves happy. :) It should be a fun class and provide a lot of opportunities to learn and play with your new toy in the future. There has been a lot of interest in this class from DPRG members. I have to limit the very first class to 10 participants. Subsequent classes will be scheduled as soon as we can find a suitable location. The cost of the class is $25 which includes all components and documentation (except a laptop or other computer of some sort). I can accept cash, major credit cards and personal checks. Since space is limited, please respond directly to me (not the list) to confirm your place in this first class. I look forward to a fun and productive class on the eve of our Exodus. My understanding is that there will be quite a lot going on, festivity-wise. Come on down and enjoy the fun! Thanks, Dale Wheat (972) 486-1317 (877) DALE WHEAT http://dalewheat.com From dale at dalewheat.com Thu Jul 23 19:45:46 2009 From: dale at dalewheat.com (Dale Wheat) Date: Thu Jul 23 19:45:40 2009 Subject: [DPRG] We could have monthly business meetings at Nicholson Memorial Library in downtown Garland Message-ID: <4A69043A.80204@dalewheat.com> I stopped by the main branch of the Nicholson Memorial Library in downtown Garland today. They have a 150-seat conference room available that is very nice: tables, chairs, PA, video projection, etc. All we have to do fill out some paperwork (which I got) and we can have a nice place to meet once a month. It's a bit of a hike from the train/bus station but closer than our old roost, I think. I'll bring the paperwork to The Very Last RBNO for the board's review. Thanks, Dale Wheat (972) 486-1317 (877) DALE WHEAT http://dalewheat.com From DeltaGraph at aol.com Thu Jul 23 20:56:51 2009 From: DeltaGraph at aol.com (DeltaGraph@aol.com) Date: Thu Jul 23 20:57:33 2009 Subject: [DPRG] We could have monthly business meetings at Nicholson Memorial Libr... Message-ID: Cool, Dale, So they had openings on Saturday? Type of room where we would do setup - OR - existing tables...? Do we need a Garland resident to do sign-up.... ? Would be nice to also look at Richardson -- might move us closer to 75 Ron **************Dell Deals: Treat yourself to a sweet deal on popular laptops! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1223100673x1201716527/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Faltfarm.mediaplex.com%2Fad%2Fck%2F12309%2D81939%2D1629%2D7) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.dprg.org/pipermail/dprglist/attachments/20090723/b837042e/attachment.html From rmd at newmicros.com Thu Jul 23 21:17:55 2009 From: rmd at newmicros.com (Randy M. Dumse) Date: Thu Jul 23 21:18:03 2009 Subject: [DPRG] We could have monthly business meetings at NicholsonMemorial Libr... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Wait a minute, there, Mr. Dallas Personal Robotics Group President. At one time I had suggested UTA as a really neat place to have our meetings. The Advanced Robotics Research Institute has huge nice meeting rooms, and is about at 820 and 30. Nearer central to the DFW area. I was put down for suggesting the "Dallas" Personal Robotics Group being in Arlington was unthinkable. Once I had that pointed out, I understood. And I agree. So, I'd like to see the Dallas Group in Dallas. Now you're completely leaving Dallas, talking Garland, Richardson, or way up 75... You know we lost members from Ft. W, Bedford, Euless, and Arlington for moving as far as we did, with the Fair Ground and WHQ. If you now want to move to Richardson or anywhere else, change the name, start a new group, and give up being DPRG. Turn that over to people willing to be the Dallas based Dallas Personal Robotics Group. I can't believe there's not room in Dallas for a Dallas Club. Randy _____ From: dprglist-bounces@dprg.org [mailto:dprglist-bounces@dprg.org] On Behalf Of DeltaGraph@aol.com Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 8:57 PM To: dprglist@dprg.org Subject: Re: [DPRG] We could have monthly business meetings at NicholsonMemorial Libr... Cool, Dale, So they had openings on Saturday? Type of room where we would do setup - OR - existing tables...? Do we need a Garland resident to do sign-up.... ? Would be nice to also look at Richardson -- might move us closer to 75 Ron _____ Dell Deals: Treat yourself to a sweet deal on popular laptops! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.dprg.org/pipermail/dprglist/attachments/20090723/f3b1031f/attachment.html From DeltaGraph at aol.com Thu Jul 23 22:25:10 2009 From: DeltaGraph at aol.com (DeltaGraph@aol.com) Date: Thu Jul 23 22:25:24 2009 Subject: [DPRG] We could have monthly business meetings at NicholsonMemorial Libr... Message-ID: Randy, You have an interesting argument. Personally, I view the club as a "Dallas Area" club, but that is just me talking (writing). Much of the club energy appears to be centered, currently, around RBNO. We are about to try experimenting with some different RBNO locations and will probably learn something about what kind of interest (attendance level) we see at each location. The goal will be to schedule RBNOs so as not to compete with each other, that is, schedule wise compete. Maybe this information will help guide us in selecting a new meeting location(s). Of course location is not everything -- environment / tools ... will have an impact also. My current thought on meetings is to stay reasonably close to present (soon to be past) RBNO location, but try to push it west a bit since Garland is on the east side of the Dallas area. Ideally, RBNO and meeting locations should be located as close to major highway as possible. IMHO, if we have just one option on meeting space, I would choose a table setup like present RBNO or like we had at Bill Priest, versus presentation room like Science Place. I think if you or anyone has a location in mind, and would be willing to do some leg work on asking permission / finding out about availability -- I would think it would be great to put it forward on the list or meeting OR RBNO and see what people think. One question in my mind is do we need 4 RBNOs a month? 3 and a meeting. Maybe my problem is I have been present too much of the time over the past 6 years... A final thought: the DFW area might be too large for a central meeting location -- particularly for RBNOs. Maybe time for another group to form? Maybe we will have a chance to see that happen if multiple-RBNOs are successful. Ron **************Dell Deals: Treat yourself to a sweet deal on popular laptops! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1223100673x1201716527/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Faltfarm.mediaplex.com%2Fad%2Fck%2F12309%2D81939%2D1629%2D7) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.dprg.org/pipermail/dprglist/attachments/20090723/b7418243/attachment.html From rayxu123 at gmail.com Fri Jul 24 00:13:24 2009 From: rayxu123 at gmail.com (Ray Xu) Date: Fri Jul 24 00:13:30 2009 Subject: [DPRG] We could have monthly business meetings at Nicholson Memorial Libr... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9b09785c0907232213m35f581a9xa98a7c2251617ce7@mail.gmail.com> Yes, I agree with moving closer to Richardson (for RBNOs and monthly meetings) is a better idea. That way, assuming we all live around Dallas or a surrounding suburb of Dallas, it is pretty much equally closer to all of us (as opposed to having our WHQ located in Garland). The main reason why I don't attend a lot of RBNOs is because of the inconvenience of travel (and time of travel) from Plano to Garland. I personally like it because its closer to me, and I definitely want to attend more RBNOs (maybe several monthly meetings). Maybe we should conduct a survey/poll of which cities we live in; and try to look for a new WHQ place, preferably, around that "center point". My 2 cents Good luck with the new WHQ and relocation. After all, it is the "Dallas" Personal Robotics Group ;) Ray Xu On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 7:56 PM, wrote: > Cool, Dale, > > So they had openings on Saturday? > Type of room where we would do setup - OR - existing tables...? > Do we need a Garland resident to do sign-up.... ? > > Would be nice to also look at Richardson -- might move us closer to 75 > > Ron > > > > > ------------------------------ > Dell Deals: Treat yourself to a sweet deal on popular laptops! > > _______________________________________________ > DPRGlist mailing list > DPRGlist@dprg.org > http://list.dprg.org/mailman/listinfo/dprglist > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.dprg.org/pipermail/dprglist/attachments/20090723/503cfce0/attachment.html From dale at dalewheat.com Fri Jul 24 07:09:42 2009 From: dale at dalewheat.com (Dale Wheat) Date: Fri Jul 24 07:09:51 2009 Subject: [DPRG] We could have monthly business meetings at Nicholson Memorial Libr... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A69A486.2000207@dalewheat.com> Ron, They are open every day of the week. I was told Fridays are wide open but that there was feirce competition for Wednesdays. I will bring all the printed information to TVLRBNO. It's a big, open space with a stage along one side. Think school cafeteria but with carpeting and nicer lighting. They have folding tables and stacking chairs. We would be responsible for setup and tear-down. The President of the organization (you) would need to sign the paperwork. No Garland residency requirements, AFAIK. Bear in mind that no location will please everyone. Downtown Garland is still a 40 mile (each way) trip for me. It's as far or farther for other members. Rick Bickle was hosting an alternate RBNO in Grand Prairie in years gone by. It all depends on available resources and interest. Thanks, Dale Wheat (972) 486-1317 (877) DALE WHEAT http://dalewheat.com DeltaGraph@aol.com wrote: > > Cool, Dale, > > So they had openings on Saturday? > Type of room where we would do setup - OR - existing tables...? > Do we need a Garland resident to do sign-up.... ? > > Would be nice to also look at Richardson -- might move us closer to 75 > > Ron > > > > > **************Dell Deals: Treat yourself to a sweet deal on popular > laptops! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1223100673x1201716527/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Faltfarm.mediaplex.com%2Fad%2Fck%2F12309%2D81939%2D1629%2D7) > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > DPRGlist mailing list > DPRGlist@dprg.org > http://list.dprg.org/mailman/listinfo/dprglist From jdolecek at gmail.com Fri Jul 24 07:47:38 2009 From: jdolecek at gmail.com (John Dolecek) Date: Fri Jul 24 07:47:45 2009 Subject: [DPRG] We could have monthly business meetings at Nicholson Memorial Libr... In-Reply-To: <4A69A486.2000207@dalewheat.com> References: <4A69A486.2000207@dalewheat.com> Message-ID: Perhaps we should start mapping locations of members who would like to participate and try to use that as a guide? Here is my approximate location: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=75249&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=34.176059,79.013672&ie=UTF8&ll=32.72722,-96.845856&spn=0.567241,1.234589&z=10 I think it's irrational to say that because it's called the "Dallas PRG" it should not include the surrounding areas. We have a huge population and resources in this area outside of Dallas and one club to serve it. As has been mentioned, maybe we need to split; but I think that pooling of resources is valuable to the robotics community as a whole. The DPRG name has lot of history associated with it and I think that it probably represents more than just the "Dallas" area. If you want to limit it, that's fine, but I won't be renewing my membership and I'll consider it a great loss not just for me, but for others too. I know I haven't participated much up to now because it's too far for me to drive. I would also like to take a moment to ask what happened to some of the older members? I've seen documentation on the web of extensive work done by a few individuals that seem to have stopped participating. Perhaps this is solely for personal reasons, but if there is some other reason (like location), I think that should be considered as well in choosing our new location. John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.dprg.org/pipermail/dprglist/attachments/20090724/c41d3218/attachment.html From dale at dalewheat.com Fri Jul 24 07:58:50 2009 From: dale at dalewheat.com (Dale Wheat) Date: Fri Jul 24 07:58:58 2009 Subject: [DPRG] We could have monthly business meetings at Nicholson Memorial Libr... In-Reply-To: References: <4A69A486.2000207@dalewheat.com> Message-ID: <4A69B00A.70701@dalewheat.com> John, You might also want to include work locations, as some might stop by after hours on their way home, for example. There was a similar push several years ago to compile a map of members and compute the ideal location to several decimal points, but it got nowhere. Participation varies greatly amongst us presently, for many reasons. When we have the 1) time, 2) resources and 3) inclination, we participate. Otherwise, we find other things to fill our hours. I'd just like to throw out there that I think that "convenience" is overrated in this situation. If I only go because it's convenient, I will stop when it becomes less so. I'm not suggesting that we pursue inconvenience for its own sake, but I would put that whole dimension as a lower priority. Thanks, Dale Wheat (972) 486-1317 (877) DALE WHEAT http://dalewheat.com John Dolecek wrote: > Perhaps we should start mapping locations of members who would like to > participate and try to use that as a guide? > > Here is my approximate location: > > http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=75249&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=34.176059,79.013672&ie=UTF8&ll=32.72722,-96.845856&spn=0.567241,1.234589&z=10 > > > I think it's irrational to say that because it's called the "Dallas PRG" it > should not include the surrounding areas. We have a huge population and > resources in this area outside of Dallas and one club to serve it. As has > been mentioned, maybe we need to split; but I think that pooling of > resources is valuable to the robotics community as a whole. The DPRG name > has lot of history associated with it and I think that it probably > represents more than just the "Dallas" area. If you want to limit it, > that's fine, but I won't be renewing my membership and I'll consider it a > great loss not just for me, but for others too. > > I know I haven't participated much up to now because it's too far for me to > drive. > > I would also like to take a moment to ask what happened to some of the older > members? I've seen documentation on the web of extensive work done by a few > individuals that seem to have stopped participating. Perhaps this is solely > for personal reasons, but if there is some other reason (like location), I > think that should be considered as well in choosing our new location. > > John > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > DPRGlist mailing list > DPRGlist@dprg.org > http://list.dprg.org/mailman/listinfo/dprglist From jdolecek at gmail.com Fri Jul 24 08:19:35 2009 From: jdolecek at gmail.com (John Dolecek) Date: Fri Jul 24 08:19:42 2009 Subject: [DPRG] We could have monthly business meetings at Nicholson Memorial Libr... In-Reply-To: <4A69B00A.70701@dalewheat.com> References: <4A69A486.2000207@dalewheat.com> <4A69B00A.70701@dalewheat.com> Message-ID: Great idea on the work locations Dale. I work right next to Addison Airport. However, I'm not suggesting we calcluate the 'optimal' position to 'several decimal places'. Of course that's going to get you nowhere. I'm merely asking that members not in the extreme northeast part of Dallas be taken into consideration. It has nothing to do with 'convenience'. It has to do with the alienation of current and potential members not located in that northeast dallas area. If I wanted convenience, I would have bought a robot. Instead I chose to build one. If I wanted convenience, I wouldn't be learning how to program, I would be using others libraries. You suggest that 'convenience' be given a lower priority, what would you consider a higher priority? There are obviously lots of places for us to meet as you and others have demonstrated. True, we won't have our own space, but is that all this is about? John On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 7:58 AM, Dale Wheat wrote: > John, > > You might also want to include work locations, as some might stop by after > hours on their way home, for example. > > There was a similar push several years ago to compile a map of members and > compute the ideal location to several decimal points, but it got nowhere. > > Participation varies greatly amongst us presently, for many reasons. When > we have the 1) time, 2) resources and 3) inclination, we participate. > Otherwise, we find other things to fill our hours. > > I'd just like to throw out there that I think that "convenience" is > overrated in this situation. If I only go because it's convenient, I will > stop when it becomes less so. I'm not suggesting that we pursue > inconvenience for its own sake, but I would put that whole dimension as a > lower priority. > > > Thanks, > > Dale Wheat > > (972) 486-1317 > (877) DALE WHEAT > http://dalewheat.com > > > John Dolecek wrote: > >> Perhaps we should start mapping locations of members who would like to >> participate and try to use that as a guide? >> >> Here is my approximate location: >> >> >> http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=75249&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=34.176059,79.013672&ie=UTF8&ll=32.72722,-96.845856&spn=0.567241,1.234589&z=10 >> >> >> I think it's irrational to say that because it's called the "Dallas PRG" >> it >> should not include the surrounding areas. We have a huge population and >> resources in this area outside of Dallas and one club to serve it. As has >> been mentioned, maybe we need to split; but I think that pooling of >> resources is valuable to the robotics community as a whole. The DPRG name >> has lot of history associated with it and I think that it probably >> represents more than just the "Dallas" area. If you want to limit it, >> that's fine, but I won't be renewing my membership and I'll consider it a >> great loss not just for me, but for others too. >> >> I know I haven't participated much up to now because it's too far for me >> to >> drive. >> >> I would also like to take a moment to ask what happened to some of the >> older >> members? I've seen documentation on the web of extensive work done by a >> few >> individuals that seem to have stopped participating. Perhaps this is >> solely >> for personal reasons, but if there is some other reason (like location), I >> think that should be considered as well in choosing our new location. >> >> John >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> DPRGlist mailing list >> DPRGlist@dprg.org >> http://list.dprg.org/mailman/listinfo/dprglist >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.dprg.org/pipermail/dprglist/attachments/20090724/dd94a20e/attachment.html From dale at dalewheat.com Fri Jul 24 08:37:56 2009 From: dale at dalewheat.com (Dale Wheat) Date: Fri Jul 24 08:38:05 2009 Subject: [DPRG] We could have monthly business meetings at Nicholson Memorial Libr... In-Reply-To: References: <4A69A486.2000207@dalewheat.com> <4A69B00A.70701@dalewheat.com> Message-ID: <4A69B934.4000200@dalewheat.com> John, I certainly wasn't picking on you and your idea, John. I like the idea. We should pursue some sort of methodology that serves the most members. You & I are in complete agreement. Sadly, the DPRG does not have a good track record of cooperation and group-think. My experience here has been that committees get nothing done and inspired individuals do all the work. Not perfect, non-optimal, but here we are. We've been holding RBNOs in Garland because we had a fantastic resource available in Garland. Now we don't. The opportunity to find a new & better place to do whatever it is that we do is before us. Could be anywhere. Unless it's at my house, I'm looking at quite a drive, but that's just me. I consider the highest priority, and always have, to be Quality. Not convenience, not cost, not time, but quality. Good tools, good facilities, good people, good food :) I prefer to surround myself with people, like you, who would rather build something, maybe several times, instead of just buying something, for the sake of learning and the thrill of creating things. I was simply hoping to avert the focus from "convenience" to some other aspect. Please don't think I was attacking your idea. Any negativity on my part was directed at our failures in the past. I believe that we have a lot to look forward to. Thanks, Dale Wheat (972) 486-1317 (877) DALE WHEAT http://dalewheat.com John Dolecek wrote: > Great idea on the work locations Dale. I work right next to Addison > Airport. > > However, I'm not suggesting we calcluate the 'optimal' position to 'several > decimal places'. Of course that's going to get you nowhere. I'm merely > asking that members not in the extreme northeast part of Dallas be taken > into consideration. It has nothing to do with 'convenience'. It has to do > with the alienation of current and potential members not located in that > northeast dallas area. If I wanted convenience, I would have bought a > robot. Instead I chose to build one. If I wanted convenience, I wouldn't > be learning how to program, I would be using others libraries. > > You suggest that 'convenience' be given a lower priority, what would you > consider a higher priority? There are obviously lots of places for us to > meet as you and others have demonstrated. True, we won't have our own > space, but is that all this is about? > > John > > On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 7:58 AM, Dale Wheat wrote: > >> John, >> >> You might also want to include work locations, as some might stop by after >> hours on their way home, for example. >> >> There was a similar push several years ago to compile a map of members and >> compute the ideal location to several decimal points, but it got nowhere. >> >> Participation varies greatly amongst us presently, for many reasons. When >> we have the 1) time, 2) resources and 3) inclination, we participate. >> Otherwise, we find other things to fill our hours. >> >> I'd just like to throw out there that I think that "convenience" is >> overrated in this situation. If I only go because it's convenient, I will >> stop when it becomes less so. I'm not suggesting that we pursue >> inconvenience for its own sake, but I would put that whole dimension as a >> lower priority. >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> Dale Wheat >> >> (972) 486-1317 >> (877) DALE WHEAT >> http://dalewheat.com >> >> >> John Dolecek wrote: >> >>> Perhaps we should start mapping locations of members who would like to >>> participate and try to use that as a guide? >>> >>> Here is my approximate location: >>> >>> >>> http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=75249&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=34.176059,79.013672&ie=UTF8&ll=32.72722,-96.845856&spn=0.567241,1.234589&z=10 >>> >>> >>> I think it's irrational to say that because it's called the "Dallas PRG" >>> it >>> should not include the surrounding areas. We have a huge population and >>> resources in this area outside of Dallas and one club to serve it. As has >>> been mentioned, maybe we need to split; but I think that pooling of >>> resources is valuable to the robotics community as a whole. The DPRG name >>> has lot of history associated with it and I think that it probably >>> represents more than just the "Dallas" area. If you want to limit it, >>> that's fine, but I won't be renewing my membership and I'll consider it a >>> great loss not just for me, but for others too. >>> >>> I know I haven't participated much up to now because it's too far for me >>> to >>> drive. >>> >>> I would also like to take a moment to ask what happened to some of the >>> older >>> members? I've seen documentation on the web of extensive work done by a >>> few >>> individuals that seem to have stopped participating. Perhaps this is >>> solely >>> for personal reasons, but if there is some other reason (like location), I >>> think that should be considered as well in choosing our new location. >>> >>> John >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> DPRGlist mailing list >>> DPRGlist@dprg.org >>> http://list.dprg.org/mailman/listinfo/dprglist >>> > From legomaniac at gmail.com Fri Jul 24 09:04:07 2009 From: legomaniac at gmail.com (Ed Paradis) Date: Fri Jul 24 09:04:15 2009 Subject: [DPRG] We could have monthly business meetings at Nicholson Memorial Libr... In-Reply-To: <4A69B934.4000200@dalewheat.com> References: <4A69A486.2000207@dalewheat.com> <4A69B00A.70701@dalewheat.com> <4A69B934.4000200@dalewheat.com> Message-ID: <1d18bd830907240704k55d575a5k52e1e3812de4e89f@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 8:37 AM, Dale Wheat wrote: > We've been holding RBNOs in Garland because we had a fantastic resource > available in Garland. ?Now we don't. ?The opportunity to find a new & better > place to do whatever it is that we do is before us. ?Could be anywhere. We have a real opportunity here to try out several different locations all around the DFW area. I would encourage anyone who has a location and the time to organize a RBNO in that location to contact the list with a date. It is my understanding that the next few months are pretty variable, and I'm pretty excited that we can try out some new places and meet some new people. RBNOs are fun and personally my favorite part of the DPRG. Ed P. From srainwater at ncc.com Fri Jul 24 09:59:12 2009 From: srainwater at ncc.com (R. Steven Rainwater) Date: Fri Jul 24 09:59:15 2009 Subject: [DPRG] We could have monthly business meetings at Nicholson Memorial Libr... In-Reply-To: <4A69B934.4000200@dalewheat.com> References: <4A69A486.2000207@dalewheat.com> <4A69B00A.70701@dalewheat.com> <4A69B934.4000200@dalewheat.com> Message-ID: <1248447552.2996.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2009-07-24 at 07:37 -0600, Dale Wheat wrote: > We've been holding RBNOs in Garland because we had a fantastic resource > available in Garland. Now we don't. The opportunity to find a new & better > place to do whatever it is that we do is before us. Could be anywhere. Unless > it's at my house, I'm looking at quite a drive, but that's just me. > > I consider the highest priority, and always have, to be Quality. Not > convenience, not cost, not time, but quality. Good tools, good facilities, good > people, good food :) I'll second that. Our priority needs to be finding the right sort of space and not worrying so much about where it is. While I'm with Randy in that I'd prefer to see us move back towards a more central location for meetings, the truth is, I'm going to show up no matter where we meet. If anyone has suggestions for weekly RBNO meeting places or monthly meeting places, now is the time suggest them. We'll be trying out new locations for a while. And if anyone wants to pursue the idea of a member map, add me on - I live in Irving and work in downtown Dallas. If there's enough interest, I could modify the member DB on the website to include GPS coordinates or something similar. -Steve http://www.ncc.com/humans/srainwater/ From srainwater at ncc.com Fri Jul 24 14:02:58 2009 From: srainwater at ncc.com (R. Steven Rainwater) Date: Fri Jul 24 14:03:01 2009 Subject: [DPRG] music making robots Message-ID: <1248462178.4827.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Anyone have any autonomous music making robots or machines? I've got a lead on a possible local event where we could get some nice PR for the group if we could come up with a machine ensemble of some sort that could perform some reasonably listenable music in an outdoor setting. If anyone is interested in working on something like this, post a reply here or email me. -Steve From spaceminers2010 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 24 14:08:37 2009 From: spaceminers2010 at yahoo.com (spaceminers2010@yahoo.com) Date: Fri Jul 24 14:08:42 2009 Subject: [DPRG] I've shared a map with you: D/FW PRG MEMBERS Message-ID: <000e0cd112d4d9a5d3046f7854d4@google.com> I've shared a map with you called D/FW PRG MEMBERS: You can view and edit this map at http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=100731560341289922762.00046f78346b2de6f3456 Note: To edit this map, you'll need to sign into Google with this email address. To use a different email address, just reply to this message and ask me to invite your other one. If you don't have a Google account, you can create one at http://www.google.com/accounts/NewAccount?reqemail=dprglist@dprg.org. From ed at okerson.com Fri Jul 24 14:27:47 2009 From: ed at okerson.com (ed@okerson.com) Date: Fri Jul 24 14:34:02 2009 Subject: [DPRG] music making robots In-Reply-To: <1248462178.4827.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1248462178.4827.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <3863.173.74.117.45.1248463667.squirrel@mail.okerson.com> Steve, I have an iPod. :) Ed > Anyone have any autonomous music making robots or machines? I've got a > lead on a possible local event where we could get some nice PR for the > group if we could come up with a machine ensemble of some sort that > could perform some reasonably listenable music in an outdoor setting. > > If anyone is interested in working on something like this, post a reply > here or email me. > > -Steve > > _______________________________________________ > DPRGlist mailing list > DPRGlist@dprg.org > http://list.dprg.org/mailman/listinfo/dprglist > From rmd at newmicros.com Fri Jul 24 15:21:32 2009 From: rmd at newmicros.com (Randy M. Dumse) Date: Fri Jul 24 15:21:41 2009 Subject: [DPRG] We could have monthly business meetings at Nicholson Memorial Libr... In-Reply-To: <1248447552.2996.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <4A69A486.2000207@dalewheat.com><4A69B00A.70701@dalewheat.com><4A69B934.4000200@dalewheat.com> <1248447552.2996.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <6701CE84046648ACB004F4EEC991BF6C@RMDSONY3> R. Steven Rainwater said: Friday, July 24, 2009 9:59 AM > If there's enough interest, I could modify the member DB on > the website to include GPS coordinates or something similar. I'd recommend against drawing conclusions based on current, active member locations. I'd say that's more a measure of where we've been meeting the last few years than where our current AND potential members are. I stopped coming to meetings because the floor at the museum hurt my legs and back. (Yeah I'm a whimp that way. But remember, it's 4 hours of driving for me to make a meeting, and I'm already sore by the time I get there.) RBNOs weren't all that convenient for me either. My point being if you measure where your current membership is, you get only those willing to go to those places you've been using. The exclusion of past and potential current members is therefore reinforced. Randy From angryscientist at gmail.com Fri Jul 24 15:36:18 2009 From: angryscientist at gmail.com (A. Scientist) Date: Fri Jul 24 15:36:23 2009 Subject: [DPRG] music making robots In-Reply-To: <3863.173.74.117.45.1248463667.squirrel@mail.okerson.com> References: <1248462178.4827.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <3863.173.74.117.45.1248463667.squirrel@mail.okerson.com> Message-ID: <7fa751c80907241336h36c5d135if74cc25e38d799e7@mail.gmail.com> they have speech synthesis working on arduino. code is available, it sings daisy bell. On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 2:27 PM, wrote: > Steve, > > I have an iPod. :) > > Ed > > > Anyone have any autonomous music making robots or machines? I've got a > > lead on a possible local event where we could get some nice PR for the > > group if we could come up with a machine ensemble of some sort that > > could perform some reasonably listenable music in an outdoor setting. > > > > If anyone is interested in working on something like this, post a reply > > here or email me. > > > > -Steve > > > > _______________________________________________ > > DPRGlist mailing list > > DPRGlist@dprg.org > > http://list.dprg.org/mailman/listinfo/dprglist > > > > > _______________________________________________ > DPRGlist mailing list > DPRGlist@dprg.org > http://list.dprg.org/mailman/listinfo/dprglist > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.dprg.org/pipermail/dprglist/attachments/20090724/daeb10e6/attachment.html From nikropht at gmail.com Fri Jul 24 15:59:04 2009 From: nikropht at gmail.com (Mike Eber) Date: Fri Jul 24 15:59:16 2009 Subject: [DPRG] We could have monthly business meetings at Nicholson Memorial Libr... In-Reply-To: <6701CE84046648ACB004F4EEC991BF6C@RMDSONY3> References: <4A69A486.2000207@dalewheat.com><4A69B00A.70701@dalewheat.com><4A69B934.4000200@dalewheat.com> <1248447552.2996.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> <6701CE84046648ACB004F4EEC991BF6C@RMDSONY3> Message-ID: <4A6A2098.70305@gmail.com> I am a member of a few other groups, generally we rotate meetings at peoples houses or facilities... We could take a hybrid approach to this.. Have a rotating meeting at a members house or (office if they can) every so often so everyone doesn't have to drive clear acrosss dfw all the time. and Find a permanent location in the middle of where the current membership lives. just my 2 cents... -Mike Randy M. Dumse wrote: > R. Steven Rainwater said: Friday, July 24, 2009 9:59 AM > >> If there's enough interest, I could modify the member DB on >> the website to include GPS coordinates or something similar. >> > > I'd recommend against drawing conclusions based on current, > active member locations. I'd say that's more a measure of where > we've been meeting the last few years than where our current AND > potential members are. I stopped coming to meetings because the > floor at the museum hurt my legs and back. (Yeah I'm a whimp > that way. But remember, it's 4 hours of driving for me to make a > meeting, and I'm already sore by the time I get there.) RBNOs > weren't all that convenient for me either. My point being if you > measure where your current membership is, you get only those > willing to go to those places you've been using. The exclusion > of past and potential current members is therefore reinforced. > > Randy > > > _______________________________________________ > DPRGlist mailing list > DPRGlist@dprg.org > http://list.dprg.org/mailman/listinfo/dprglist > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.dprg.org/pipermail/dprglist/attachments/20090724/d857480b/attachment.html From srainwater at ncc.com Fri Jul 24 16:12:39 2009 From: srainwater at ncc.com (R. Steven Rainwater) Date: Fri Jul 24 16:12:42 2009 Subject: [DPRG] We could have monthly business meetings at Nicholson Memorial Libr... In-Reply-To: <6701CE84046648ACB004F4EEC991BF6C@RMDSONY3> References: <4A69A486.2000207@dalewheat.com> <4A69B00A.70701@dalewheat.com> <4A69B934.4000200@dalewheat.com> <1248447552.2996.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> <6701CE84046648ACB004F4EEC991BF6C@RMDSONY3> Message-ID: <1248469959.4827.43.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2009-07-24 at 15:21 -0500, Randy M. Dumse wrote: > My point being if you measure where your current membership > is, you get only those willing to go to those places you've > been using. The exclusion of past and potential current > members is therefore reinforced. Actually, I agree. I've pointed that out at a couple of RBNO discussions where the reasoning was essentially, "everyone who comes to Garland for the RBNO thinks having RBNOs in Garland is a pretty good idea, so Garland must be the best possible location". :) But as we mentioned earlier, we'll be trying different locations over the next month or two, so your best bet is to vote with your feet by coming to the meetings or RBNOs in the locations you like most. Or suggest some other places to try. We're already considering RBNOs at 35/Walnut Hill, a location in Lakewood, and some others. I think we'll have a more definitive list within a few days. Since the group is likely to be semi-nomadic for at least a year, it might be cool to bring back the Robot Power Lunch (RPL) idea too. I'd be happy to have one down here in Deep Ellum once in a while. -Steve From legomaniac at gmail.com Fri Jul 24 17:14:15 2009 From: legomaniac at gmail.com (Ed Paradis) Date: Fri Jul 24 17:14:21 2009 Subject: [DPRG] We could have monthly business meetings at Nicholson Memorial Libr... In-Reply-To: <1248469959.4827.43.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <4A69A486.2000207@dalewheat.com> <4A69B00A.70701@dalewheat.com> <4A69B934.4000200@dalewheat.com> <1248447552.2996.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> <6701CE84046648ACB004F4EEC991BF6C@RMDSONY3> <1248469959.4827.43.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1d18bd830907241514t400b47e5o6f563c7ae5541489@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 4:12 PM, R. Steven Rainwater wrote: > Since the group is likely to be semi-nomadic for at least a year, it > might be cool to bring back the Robot Power Lunch (RPL) idea too. I'm for doing RPLs too. I'm up near Campbell and 75, which I think is near the historic RPL location, so perhaps there is some potential activity there too. Ed From DeltaGraph at aol.com Sat Jul 25 06:55:19 2009 From: DeltaGraph at aol.com (DeltaGraph@aol.com) Date: Sat Jul 25 06:55:37 2009 Subject: [DPRG] I've shared a map with you: D/FW PRG MEMBERS Message-ID: OK, this is cool. Thanks Rocky. I followed the first link and could view the map with about 15 people / locations , growing by the moment, but was unclear on how to add my location. Signing to google with "this email address" ??? what password? Can someone elaborate on what to do? -- I have not taken the time to learn how to use Google maps. Thanks for the help. Ron In a message dated 7/24/2009 2:10:06 P.M. Central Daylight Time, spaceminers2010@yahoo.com writes: I've shared a map with you called D/FW PRG MEMBERS: You can view and edit this map at http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8&msa =0&msid=100731560341289922762.00046f78346b2de6f3456 Note: To edit this map, you'll need to sign into Google with this email address. To use a different email address, just reply to this message and ask me to invite your other one. If you don't have a Google account, you can create one at http://www.google.com/accounts/NewAccount?reqemail=dprglist@dprg.org. _______________________________________________ DPRGlist mailing list DPRGlist@dprg.org http://list.dprg.org/mailman/listinfo/dprglist ared a map with you called D/FW PRG MEMBERS: You can view and edit this map at http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8&msa =0&msid=100731560341289922762.00046f78346b2de6f3456 Note: To edit this map, you'll need to sign into Google with this email address. To use a different email address, just reply to this message and ask me to invite your other one. If you don't have a Google account, you can create one at http://www.google.com/accounts/NewAccount?reqemail=dprglist@dprg.org. _______________________________________________ DPRGlist mailing list DPRGlist@dprg.org http://list.dprg.org/mailman/listinfo/dprglist **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222585106x1201462830/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=Jul yExcfooterNO62) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.dprg.org/pipermail/dprglist/attachments/20090725/dcdf3e02/attachment-0001.html From DeltaGraph at aol.com Sat Jul 25 07:05:46 2009 From: DeltaGraph at aol.com (DeltaGraph@aol.com) Date: Sat Jul 25 07:05:55 2009 Subject: [DPRG] I've shared a map with you: D/FW PRG MEMBERS Message-ID: Addendum to request for help on Member Map I followed the second link Rocky listed and created an account _dprglist@dprg.org_ (mailto:dprglist@dprg.org) . That can't be a good idea? Google said it sent a confirmation to that address which is the list... I will stop fiddling and let someone tell me what to do. Might benefit some others who are less google savvy. Again, Love the map. Of course need to keep things in perspective as to all the variables, known and unknown.. more on that later. Ron **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222585106x1201462830/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=Jul yExcfooterNO62) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.dprg.org/pipermail/dprglist/attachments/20090725/71bff927/attachment.html From DeltaGraph at aol.com Sat Jul 25 07:14:53 2009 From: DeltaGraph at aol.com (DeltaGraph@aol.com) Date: Sat Jul 25 07:15:04 2009 Subject: [DPRG] I've shared a map with you: D/FW PRG MEMBERS Message-ID: OK, when I created _dprglist@dprg.org_ (mailto:dprglist@dprg.org) with my own password.. I see that next time I visited the link Rock embeded, I was able to right click on a location I searched for (my nearest intersection) and create a "Placemark". Maybe someone would have a concise way of putting what I just did... Ron **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222585106x1201462830/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=Jul yExcfooterNO62) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.dprg.org/pipermail/dprglist/attachments/20090725/21f1a64e/attachment.html From spaceminers2010 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 25 07:57:47 2009 From: spaceminers2010 at yahoo.com (vincent lopresti) Date: Sat Jul 25 07:57:53 2009 Subject: [DPRG] working with google maps Message-ID: <99413.68899.qm@web111105.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> ?try these steps to edit google maps: ? create a google account log in goto maps click 'my map' click 'create new map' for pratice, make your own family/friends map 1st [so you wont mess up dprg map] to edit dprg map, click here you SHOULD now see an EDIT button click 'edit' use the toolbar at the top/left corner of the map to add map objects click 'save', click 'done' [saves changes and done collaborating] see? only 10 easy step! :( ? robotrock =] ? --- On Sat, 7/25/09, DeltaGraph@aol.com wrote: From: DeltaGraph@aol.com Subject: Re: [DPRG] I've shared a map with you: D/FW PRG MEMBERS To: dprglist@dprg.org Date: Saturday, July 25, 2009, 7:14 AM OK, when I created dprglist@dprg.org with my own password.. I see that next time I visited the link Rock embeded, I was able to right click on a location I searched for (my nearest intersection) and create a "Placemark".? Maybe someone would have a concise way of putting what I just did... Ron ? ? An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ DPRGlist mailing list DPRGlist@dprg.org http://list.dprg.org/mailman/listinfo/dprglist -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.dprg.org/pipermail/dprglist/attachments/20090725/3992f620/attachment.html From srainwater at ncc.com Sat Jul 25 11:18:33 2009 From: srainwater at ncc.com (R. Steven Rainwater) Date: Sat Jul 25 11:18:37 2009 Subject: [DPRG] map of members and meeting locations In-Reply-To: <99413.68899.qm@web111105.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <99413.68899.qm@web111105.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1248538713.13533.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> Thanks for the step-by-step. I made a few updates to the map including updating the proposed RBNO locations and renamed them as RBNOs. We probably won't have a new HQ building for a year or so (my guess). I also added both a home and work marker for myself since I usually go to the RBNO from work and from the RBNO to home. There are several placemarkers that aren't clear. Is "temporary site" anything real or just a leftover test marker? Also several unlabeled placemarkers (placemark19, placemark20, etc.) Are those real members who wish to remain anonymous or spurious markers that should be removed? http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msa=0&msid=100731560341289922762.00046f78346b2de6f3456 -Steve On Sat, 2009-07-25 at 05:57 -0700, vincent lopresti wrote: > try these steps to edit google maps: > > 1. create a google account > 2. log in > 3. goto maps > 4. click 'my map' > 5. click 'create new map' > for pratice, make your own family/friends map 1st [so you wont > mess up dprg map] > 6. to edit dprg map, click here > 7. you SHOULD now see an EDIT button > 8. click 'edit' > 9. use the toolbar at the top/left corner of the map to add map > objects > 10. click 'save', click 'done' [saves changes and done > collaborating] > see? only 10 easy step! :( > From DeltaGraph at aol.com Sat Jul 25 11:39:11 2009 From: DeltaGraph at aol.com (DeltaGraph@aol.com) Date: Sat Jul 25 11:39:23 2009 Subject: [DPRG] map of members and meeting locations Message-ID: I added Will since he does not mess with internet much. He is one of our most active members. There is a "wrong" lakewood location in Frisco area "Lakewood" -- I changed description requesting deletion -- so Rocky or whoever posted might remove. Very cool to see the thing evolving. Will be cool when we have everyone on the map (hope everyone will participate). Yeah, Steve, I wondered about those yellow placemarkers. Thanks too , Rocky for itemized list Ron **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222585106x1201462830/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=Jul yExcfooterNO62) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.dprg.org/pipermail/dprglist/attachments/20090725/3944512e/attachment.html From DeltaGraph at aol.com Sat Jul 25 13:17:56 2009 From: DeltaGraph at aol.com (DeltaGraph@aol.com) Date: Sat Jul 25 13:18:05 2009 Subject: [DPRG] DPRG Participation at FenCon Sept 18-20 Message-ID: All, Just received message below from FenCon coordinator, Tim Morgan. I would propose we do a table and/or some presentations on Saturday (Sept 19). We could expand # days if we have sufficient volunteers. Please reply to this message if you are interested in helping out. I am sure we can get some passes for a number of DPRGers who are willing to do table time / demo time.... I am willing to help man a table and/or do demos unless I am out of town. Just talked to Steve and he is online to help staff a table. Roomba Men? MoonDawg? Other robots / humans? DIY Dale? Ron -------------------- Ron, I apologize for waiting so late to contact you about DPRG participating in this year's FenCon. I know your panel and demo last year were well attended and people enjoyed your presentations. Our theme for this year's FenCon is DO-IT-YOURSELF. Obviously DPRG fits in very well with that theme. FenCon is September 18-20 this year. You can find more information about our current guests, hotel, etc at _www.fencon.org_ (http://www.fencon.org/) . Please let me know if DPRG is interested in participating this year. We would be looking at two panels, one demo and one panel (discussion) session. Let me know as soon as you can if you want to participate. We would love to have you back this year. Regards, Tim Morgan FenCon Science Track Coordinator **************A bad credit score is 600 & below. Checking won't affect your score. See now! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222585106x1201462830/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgI D=62&bcd=JulyBadfooterNO62) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.dprg.org/pipermail/dprglist/attachments/20090725/c06e38fa/attachment.html From rmd at newmicros.com Sat Jul 25 13:20:33 2009 From: rmd at newmicros.com (Randy M. Dumse) Date: Sat Jul 25 13:20:38 2009 Subject: [DPRG] map of members and meeting locations In-Reply-To: <1248538713.13533.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <99413.68899.qm@web111105.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1248538713.13533.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <0289FB4111104ED48997CBD9C232D644@RMDSONY3> I added my home and work, also Dr. Huff's location at work, and Ed and James Koffeman's approximate location in Midlothian, because I know Ed is on vacation. Can anyone add former members Bill Boyer (Rodent) in Ft. Worth somewhere, or Earl Bollinger and his son in Grapevine? Randy From legomaniac at gmail.com Sat Jul 25 15:45:45 2009 From: legomaniac at gmail.com (Ed Paradis) Date: Sat Jul 25 15:45:50 2009 Subject: [DPRG] DPRG Participation at FenCon Sept 18-20 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1d18bd830907251345m2077b7a4q2e7b3b8281161ba6@mail.gmail.com> I'm good for some table time. On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 1:17 PM, wrote: > All, > Just received message below from FenCon coordinator, Tim Morgan. > I would propose we do a table and/or some presentations on Saturday (Sept > 19).?We could expand # days if we have sufficient?volunteers. > > Please reply?to this message if you are interested in helping out. I am sure > we can get some passes for a number of DPRGers who are willing to do table > time / demo time.... > > I am willing to help?man a table and/or do demos unless?I am?out of? town. > Just talked to Steve and he is online to help staff a table. > > Roomba Men? > MoonDawg? > Other robots / humans? > DIY Dale? > > Ron > -------------------- > > Ron, > > I apologize for waiting so late to contact you about DPRG participating in > this year's FenCon. I know your panel and demo last year were well attended > and people enjoyed your presentations. Our theme for this year's FenCon is > DO-IT-YOURSELF. Obviously DPRG fits in very well with that theme. FenCon is > September 18-20 this year. You can find more information about our current > guests, hotel, etc at www.fencon.org. > > Please let me know if DPRG is interested in participating this year. We > would be looking at two panels, one demo and one panel (discussion) session. > Let me know as soon as you can if you want to participate. > > > We would love to have you back this year. > > Regards, > Tim Morgan > FenCon Science Track Coordinator > > ________________________________ > A bad credit score is 600 & below. Checking won't affect your score. See > now! > _______________________________________________ > DPRGlist mailing list > DPRGlist@dprg.org > http://list.dprg.org/mailman/listinfo/dprglist > > From dalewheat at gmail.com Sat Jul 25 17:54:55 2009 From: dalewheat at gmail.com (Dale Wheat) Date: Sat Jul 25 17:54:29 2009 Subject: [DPRG] DPRG Participation at FenCon Sept 18-20 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7994CF5A-5DD6-4B0D-982D-A99477D2D6AF@gmail.com> Ron, Count me in! Dale On Jul 25, 2009, at 12:17 PM, DeltaGraph@aol.com wrote: > All, > Just received message below from FenCon coordinator, Tim Morgan. > I would propose we do a table and/or some presentations on Saturday > (Sept 19). We could expand # days if we have sufficient volunteers. > > Please reply to this message if you are interested in helping out. I > am sure we can get some passes for a number of DPRGers who are > willing to do table time / demo time.... > > I am willing to help man a table and/or do demos unless I am out of > town. > Just talked to Steve and he is online to help staff a table. > > Roomba Men? > MoonDawg? > Other robots / humans? > DIY Dale? > > Ron > -------------------- > > Ron, > > I apologize for waiting so late to contact you about DPRG > participating in this year's FenCon. I know your panel and demo last > year were well attended and people enjoyed your presentations. Our > theme for this year's FenCon is DO-IT-YOURSELF. Obviously DPRG fits > in very well with that theme. FenCon is September 18-20 this year. > You can find more information about our current guests, hotel, etc > at www.fencon.org. > > Please let me know if DPRG is interested in participating this year. > We would be looking at two panels, one demo and one panel > (discussion) session. Let me know as soon as you can if you want to > participate. > > > We would love to have you back this year. > > Regards, > Tim Morgan > FenCon Science Track Coordinator > > > A bad credit score is 600 & below. Checking won't affect your score. > See now! > _______________________________________________ > DPRGlist mailing list > DPRGlist@dprg.org > http://list.dprg.org/mailman/listinfo/dprglist -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.dprg.org/pipermail/dprglist/attachments/20090725/8b90f73f/attachment.html From puppy_dog500 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 26 16:17:04 2009 From: puppy_dog500 at yahoo.com (-Old Dog-) Date: Sun Jul 26 16:17:10 2009 Subject: [DPRG] DPRG Participation at FenCon Sept 18-20 In-Reply-To: <7994CF5A-5DD6-4B0D-982D-A99477D2D6AF@gmail.com> Message-ID: <397851.60145.qm@web35603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I'm in. -Martin --- On Sat, 7/25/09, Dale Wheat wrote: > From: Dale Wheat > Subject: Re: [DPRG] DPRG Participation at FenCon Sept 18-20 > To: "DeltaGraph@aol.com" > Cc: "dprglist@dprg.org" > Date: Saturday, July 25, 2009, 5:54 PM > Ron, > Count me in! > Dale > > > On Jul 25, 2009, at 12:17 PM, DeltaGraph@aol.com > wrote: > > > > All, > Just received message below from FenCon coordinator, > Tim > Morgan.? > I would propose we do a table and/or some > presentations on Saturday (Sept > 19).?We could expand # days if we have > sufficient?volunteers. > ? > Please reply?to this message if you are > interested in helping out. I > am sure we can get some passes for a number of DPRGers who > are willing to do > table time / demo time.... > ? > I am willing to help?man a table and/or do demos > unless?I > am?out of? town. > Just talked to Steve and he is online to help staff a > table. > ? > Roomba Men? > MoonDawg? > Other robots / humans? > DIY Dale? > ? > Ron > --------------------? > ? > Ron, > > I apologize for waiting so late to contact you about DPRG > participating in this year's FenCon. I know your panel > and demo last year were > well attended and people enjoyed your presentations. Our > theme for this year's > FenCon is DO-IT-YOURSELF. Obviously DPRG fits in very well > with that theme. > FenCon is September 18-20 this year. You can find more > information about our > current guests, hotel, etc at www.fencon.org. > > Please let me know if > DPRG is interested in participating this year. We would be > looking at two > panels, one demo and one panel (discussion) session. Let me > know as soon as you > can if you want to participate. > > list> > ? > We would love to have you back this year. > > Regards, > Tim > Morgan > FenCon Science Track Coordinator > > ? > A bad credit > score is 600 & below. Checking won't affect your > score. See > now! > _______________________________________________ > DPRGlist mailing list > DPRGlist@dprg.org > http://list.dprg.org/mailman/listinfo/dprglist > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > _______________________________________________ > DPRGlist mailing list > DPRGlist@dprg.org > http://list.dprg.org/mailman/listinfo/dprglist > From rmd at newmicros.com Sun Jul 26 16:20:39 2009 From: rmd at newmicros.com (Randy M. Dumse) Date: Sun Jul 26 16:20:47 2009 Subject: [DPRG] We could have monthly business meetings at NicholsonMemorial Libr... In-Reply-To: <1248469959.4827.43.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <4A69A486.2000207@dalewheat.com><4A69B00A.70701@dalewheat.com><4A69B934.4000200@dalewheat.com><1248447552.2996.12.camel@localhost.localdomain><6701CE84046648ACB004F4EEC991BF6C@RMDSONY3> <1248469959.4827.43.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: R. Steven Rainwater said: Friday, July 24, 2009 4:13 PM > Actually, I agree. I've pointed that out at a couple of RBNO > discussions where the reasoning was essentially, "everyone > who comes to Garland for the RBNO thinks having RBNOs in > Garland is a pretty good idea, so Garland must be the best > possible location". :) Looking at the map so far, and realizing we only have a test sample, it looks strongly like the WHQ in Garland was indeed very convenient with people we see are active. And then there's everybody else in the club across the metropled which were pretty well poorly served and by that location. Notice the inactive members were in the far west. Commenting on the data, from my personal experience. I don't see Kip, and he's in the north of Dallas. Robert Jordan was president, is now inactive, and is in the Garland area. Travis was from the Park Cities area. (So much for other member's houses I've been too personally). But then Jeffery Valentine and his Dad were from... Lewisville or someplace north, and what was the Lego's gal? Sherry? Was from Arlington if I recall. So many I remember were from west of the WHQ location. So to my thinking, we've had a self fulfilling filter, eliminating members the more westernly they lived, and reinforced membership in a narrow swath on the extreme north east of the metroplex. At current count of points on the page, about 9 members were very well served, and twice that many members were very poorly served. Again, kudos to Mike. That was an incredible space and a very generous donation. I have no gripes at all with Mike, but I do have one about how his donation was used. I think the club management should have recognized the consequences, and done more to represent the whole membership, which has dwindled and changed character because of the choice of locations for meetings and RBNOs. Randy From DeltaGraph at aol.com Sun Jul 26 20:33:45 2009 From: DeltaGraph at aol.com (DeltaGraph@aol.com) Date: Sun Jul 26 20:34:02 2009 Subject: [DPRG] Final RBNO at Garland WHQ -- COME ON OUT -- BBQ FEAST TUESDAY Message-ID: All, Let's make our Final RBNO at the Garland DPRG World Headquarters a fun one! If you have not been to an RBNO in a while COME ON OUT. I will take care of getting BBQ together. I will cook some chicken and let club spring for BBQ brisket or some such meat. Bring your favorite beverage -- soda, beer, whatever. Bring a favorite robot, or your favorite SO/wife/husband .. We have it worked out where we can separate those doing the Arduino build that Dale is hosting from about 7-8:30 -- so as to allow that group to function in case we have a big crowd of non-Arduino builders by then, i.e., Mike will make his office space available to one group or the other. I have my British gal, Pam, coming out to help create authentic pub atmosphere. We have virtually everything packed up -- except we have all folding tables and chairs out so you are not coming out to an empty warehouse -- or to be enslaved with lots of packing up... If you have not been to RBNO in a while, shoot me an email, or reply to this message so I will be able to adjust quantity of food we have on hand. Thanks, Looking forward to seeing everyone! Event start time 6:30 Ron **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222585106x1201462830/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=115&bcd =JulystepsfooterNO115) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.dprg.org/pipermail/dprglist/attachments/20090726/01db5b44/attachment.html From DeltaGraph at aol.com Sun Jul 26 22:00:53 2009 From: DeltaGraph at aol.com (DeltaGraph@aol.com) Date: Sun Jul 26 22:01:18 2009 Subject: [DPRG] We could have monthly business meetings at NicholsonMemorial Libr... Message-ID: In a message dated 7/26/2009 4:21:07 P.M. Central Daylight Time, rmd@newmicros.com writes: I think the club management should have recognized the consequences, and done more to represent the whole membership, which has dwindled and changed character because of the choice of locations for meetings and RBNOs. Yeah, Randy, I agree. I helped make that happen. I know we had a few people that would show up at Fair Park meetings that were less apt to make the drive to Garland -- just a few. I really feel like the ideal situation is a location that is 30 minutes or less really starts to become practical. My 5 years, traveling from Irving to Garland was really grating on me as far as the drive and waste of time traveling (almost 2 hours round trip). Driving long distances is a life wasting, time and money sucking monster in my humble opinion. (Of course we do it when we think it is worth it.) When I commuted from Irving to Arlington (UTA) during my college years, I did everything I could do to pack my 30 minute commute to UTA into 2 days a week most semesters. The harsh reality for RBNO is probably multiple locations is the only way to go versus 1 central location, if we can make it happen. Maybe putting people on a map will help guide us. Of course with limited club resources, it is all about the individuals, so step up if you have an idea and can help support the idea. We have a really nice group of members in the club right now and I feel confident that we will do really well with trying to make things work out for the best in the near future. This includes making things work out for new members or some old members we might attract. My main concern with multiple locations (if we find that multiple locations work) is to find the best way to support them. That is, if alternating weeks works best to allow members that will travel to both locations to do so increasing support rather than thinning it out... Ron PS If you live in DFW area and have not put yourself on the map, please do so.. Instructions provided by Rocky: try these steps to edit google maps: 1. create a google account 2. log in 3. goto maps 4. click 'my map' 5. click 'create new map' for pratice, make your own family/friends map 1st [so you wont mess up dprg map] 6. to edit dprg map, click _here_ (http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=en&ie=UTF8&msa=0&msid=100731560341289922762.00046f78346b2de6f3456&z=9) 7. you SHOULD now see an EDIT button 8. click 'edit' 9. use the toolbar at the top/left corner of the map to add map objects 10. click 'save', click 'done' [saves changes and done collaborating] see? only 10 easy step! :( robotrock =] **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222585106x1201462830/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=115&bcd =JulystepsfooterNO115) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.dprg.org/pipermail/dprglist/attachments/20090726/426ba923/attachment.html From ed at okerson.com Mon Jul 27 00:54:57 2009 From: ed at okerson.com (ed@okerson.com) Date: Mon Jul 27 01:01:19 2009 Subject: [DPRG] We could have monthly business meetings at NicholsonMemorial Libr... In-Reply-To: References: <4A69A486.2000207@dalewheat.com><4A69B00A.70701@dalewheat.com><4A69B934.4000200@dalewheat.com><1248447552.2996.12.camel@localhost.localdomain><6701CE84046648ACB004F4EEC991BF6C@RMDSONY3> <1248469959.4827.43.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <57286.66.76.211.28.1248674097.squirrel@mail.okerson.com> > I think the club management should have recognized the > consequences, and done more to represent the whole membership, > which has dwindled and changed character because of the choice > of locations for meetings and RBNOs. Everyone needs to remember the history that went with the decisions before condemning to hastily. At the point in time when I asked Mike if he would consider donating the space, RBNO's only happened on a regular basis in the garage at Barry Jordains house, which was much farther east than Garland, Rockwall as I recall, then he moved even farther east somewhere. And very few members attended on a regular basis (Usually Barry, Kip and Eric Yundt) and occasionally a few others would show up. Meetings were a much more formal affair at the Bill Priest Institute, and contests were always at The Science Place. Robot Power Lunch (RPL) was the weekly get together for those of us that wanted more, and occurred on Thursdays at noon at the Collin Creek Mall food court with regular attendance of 12-15. When Mike made his generous donation of space to the club, it was much closer and more practical for a larger regular attendance at RBNO's. After I moved away RPL attendance waned as more and more people were focusing on RBNO, and traffic on the mailing list showed considerable interest in building up that activity. Eventually meetings moved from Bill Priest Institute to The Science Place because of continued scheduling difficulties, and then up to the WHQ because of scheduling problems and low attendance at the Science Place. So it has been more of a space availability issue than anything else that eventually had everything at the WHQ, I think the move of the meetings to the WHQ happened after the attendance dropped off at the Science Place. Now that gone and it is time to re-evaluate where activities are going to happen, and indeed what activities are going to happen. Ed Okerson From DeltaGraph at aol.com Mon Jul 27 08:40:41 2009 From: DeltaGraph at aol.com (DeltaGraph@aol.com) Date: Mon Jul 27 08:41:09 2009 Subject: [DPRG] We could have monthly business meetings at NicholsonMemorial Libr... Message-ID: Thanks, Ed, for history. I will add a few points, using my approximated recall: With the decline in attendance at Science Place we also saw lighter attendance at RBNO. At one point (before Mike made decision to close Modern Assemblies), Mike was questioning having a dedicated space, so efforts were focused to clean up and improve the space (Garland WHQ) around Nov 2007. Thanks to the help of many club members, we now had a nicer space which we could hold meetings without scheduling issues that we were finding at the Science Place. We experienced increased attendance for RBNOs and about the same / increased attendance for meetings -- adding a few people and losing a few people who might be considered in, at least in part, in the distance equation... Of course this could be purely coincidental, but I would not like to think this is the case. At the time we did the renovation, some of us could see the benefit in becoming lighter weight -- eliminating seldom used equipment and heavy fixtures..., knowing at that time we were not going to have the space Mike was providing, forever. Thanks to technology, providing inexpensive laptop computers and some changes in contest course size and portability we are now lightweight enough to not require a dedicated space to do what we do. Until the day arrives that DPRG can finance its own facility or have long term dedicated space, I believe that "lightweight" it is the way to maintain the club, so as not to burden members or hosts. Ron **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221823322x1201398723/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=Jul yExcfooterNO62) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.dprg.org/pipermail/dprglist/attachments/20090727/05b01263/attachment-0001.html From dragonlancer1970 at gmail.com Mon Jul 27 09:31:25 2009 From: dragonlancer1970 at gmail.com (Jason Oliver) Date: Mon Jul 27 09:31:33 2009 Subject: [DPRG] We could have monthly business meetings at NicholsonMemorial Libr... In-Reply-To: <57286.66.76.211.28.1248674097.squirrel@mail.okerson.com> References: <4A69A486.2000207@dalewheat.com><4A69B00A.70701@dalewheat.com><4A69B934.4000200@dalewheat.com><1248447552.2996.12.camel@localhost.localdomain><6701CE84046648ACB004F4EEC991BF6C@RMDSONY3> <1248469959.4827.43.camel@localhost.localdomain> <57286.66.76.211.28.1248674097.squirrel@mail.okerson.com> Message-ID: <001e01ca0ec6$ed00da50$c7028ef0$@com> Just my 2 cents.... A central location to the bulk of the membership would be ideal. We should be concerned with the DPRG as a collective group and its survival and growth. If all we focus on is our individual likes and wants then we will never reach a solution that will ensure the survival of the group. -----Original Message----- From: dprglist-bounces@dprg.org [mailto:dprglist-bounces@dprg.org] On Behalf Of ed@okerson.com Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 12:55 AM To: dprglist@dprg.org Subject: RE: [DPRG] We could have monthly business meetings at NicholsonMemorial Libr... > I think the club management should have recognized the > consequences, and done more to represent the whole membership, > which has dwindled and changed character because of the choice > of locations for meetings and RBNOs. Everyone needs to remember the history that went with the decisions before condemning to hastily. At the point in time when I asked Mike if he would consider donating the space, RBNO's only happened on a regular basis in the garage at Barry Jordains house, which was much farther east than Garland, Rockwall as I recall, then he moved even farther east somewhere. And very few members attended on a regular basis (Usually Barry, Kip and Eric Yundt) and occasionally a few others would show up. Meetings were a much more formal affair at the Bill Priest Institute, and contests were always at The Science Place. Robot Power Lunch (RPL) was the weekly get together for those of us that wanted more, and occurred on Thursdays at noon at the Collin Creek Mall food court with regular attendance of 12-15. When Mike made his generous donation of space to the club, it was much closer and more practical for a larger regular attendance at RBNO's. After I moved away RPL attendance waned as more and more people were focusing on RBNO, and traffic on the mailing list showed considerable interest in building up that activity. Eventually meetings moved from Bill Priest Institute to The Science Place because of continued scheduling difficulties, and then up to the WHQ because of scheduling problems and low attendance at the Science Place. So it has been more of a space availability issue than anything else that eventually had everything at the WHQ, I think the move of the meetings to the WHQ happened after the attendance dropped off at the Science Place. Now that gone and it is time to re-evaluate where activities are going to happen, and indeed what activities are going to happen. Ed Okerson _______________________________________________ DPRGlist mailing list DPRGlist@dprg.org http://list.dprg.org/mailman/listinfo/dprglist From spaceminers2010 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 27 15:26:01 2009 From: spaceminers2010 at yahoo.com (vincent lopresti) Date: Mon Jul 27 15:26:08 2009 Subject: [DPRG] thoughts & ideas Message-ID: <217810.76114.qm@web111114.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> ? any place that is free obviously should have highest priority [dallas or tarrant county]. ? ideal place should be in heart of dallas?and/or near travelingman robot sculpture .. i have noticed many banquet rooms/halls opening up. we could get a discount if we sign up for 2yrs or so. raise the membership fee to compensate $5-10+ if needed. ? The SpaceMiners Organization will gladly donate $200,000 of the $500,000 grand prize?to the DPRG if they [you] will help us win the Lunar Regolith Excavation Centennial?Challenge hosted by NASA. [2nd place $50,000 of the $150,000, 3rd place $33,333.33?of the $100,000]...???? worst case win =?$33k! that would pay dprg rent for a loooooong time! [of course we must kick some robot butt to win] funds could be in the bank before new years! ? we need SOMETHING now. wherever the temp or new hq may be, SOMEONE will not like the drive. so i suggest we offer a live video feed of the meetings online via www.livevideo.com and/or on the dprg website. [i plan to use livevideo.com to show spaceminers moondawg progress as we get closer to completion. implementing live video into the group may greatly expand # of members and many new possibilities!...??? robot networking, online training, etc. ? ? rr?=] ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.dprg.org/pipermail/dprglist/attachments/20090727/8b63ecf6/attachment.html From srainwater at ncc.com Mon Jul 27 15:28:52 2009 From: srainwater at ncc.com (R. Steven Rainwater) Date: Mon Jul 27 15:28:54 2009 Subject: [DPRG] Breadboard Adruino class at Very Last RBNO In-Reply-To: <4A67824B.3090203@dalewheat.com> References: <4A67824B.3090203@dalewheat.com> Message-ID: <1248726532.25607.38.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2009-07-22 at 15:19 -0600, Dale Wheat wrote: > Next week on Tuesday, 28 July 2009 at 7:00 PM I will be celebrating our Very > Last RBNO at the Modern Assemblies location in Garland TX by conducting a > "Breadboard Arduino" hands-on class. It would be cool if we could get video of this tutorial for the website. I'm thinking one camcorder on a tripod with a wide shot of Dale doing his thing (Martin and his new camera/tripod comes to mind) and maybe one other hand-held camcorder to get close ups of the boards and parts and stuff. Any volunteers? -Steve -- http://www.ncc.com/humans/srainwater/ From nikropht at gmail.com Mon Jul 27 16:26:43 2009 From: nikropht at gmail.com (Mike Eber) Date: Mon Jul 27 16:26:59 2009 Subject: [DPRG] Breadboard Adruino class at Very Last RBNO In-Reply-To: <1248726532.25607.38.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <4A67824B.3090203@dalewheat.com> <1248726532.25607.38.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4A6E1B93.9040702@gmail.com> I'm comin see ya there.. -Mike R. Steven Rainwater wrote: > On Wed, 2009-07-22 at 15:19 -0600, Dale Wheat wrote: > >> Next week on Tuesday, 28 July 2009 at 7:00 PM I will be celebrating our Very >> Last RBNO at the Modern Assemblies location in Garland TX by conducting a >> "Breadboard Arduino" hands-on class. >> > > It would be cool if we could get video of this tutorial for the website. > I'm thinking one camcorder on a tripod with a wide shot of Dale doing > his thing (Martin and his new camera/tripod comes to mind) and maybe one > other hand-held camcorder to get close ups of the boards and parts and > stuff. Any volunteers? > > -Steve > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.dprg.org/pipermail/dprglist/attachments/20090727/bb5f581a/attachment.html From srainwater at ncc.com Tue Jul 28 16:04:33 2009 From: srainwater at ncc.com (R. Steven Rainwater) Date: Tue Jul 28 16:04:35 2009 Subject: [DPRG] Final RBNO at Garland WHQ -- COME ON OUT -- BBQ FEAST TUESDAY In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1248815073.32669.174.camel@localhost.localdomain> I'll be going by Sam's on the way up to the warehouse this afternoon. Is there anything we still need for the final RBNO at WHQ or is it all covered? -Steve On Sun, 2009-07-26 at 21:33 -0400, DeltaGraph@aol.com wrote: > All, Let's make our Final RBNO at the Garland DPRG World > Headquarters a fun one! If you have not been to an RBNO > in a while COME ON OUT. > > I will take care of getting BBQ together. I will cook some chicken and > let club spring for BBQ brisket or some such meat. > > Bring your favorite beverage -- soda, beer, whatever. > Bring a favorite robot, or your favorite SO/wife/husband .. > > > We have it worked out where we can separate those doing the > Arduino build that Dale is hosting from about 7-8:30 -- so as to allow > that group to function in case we have a big crowd of non-Arduino > builders by then, i.e., Mike will make his office space available to > one group or the other. > > I have my British gal, Pam, coming out to help create authentic pub > atmosphere. > > We have virtually everything packed up -- except we have all folding > tables and chairs out so you are not coming out to an empty warehouse > -- or to be enslaved with lots of packing up... > > If you have not been to RBNO in a while, shoot me an email, or reply > to this message so I will be able to adjust quantity of food we have > on hand. > > > Thanks, > Looking forward to seeing everyone! > Event start time 6:30 > > Ron From dale at dalewheat.com Tue Jul 28 16:42:06 2009 From: dale at dalewheat.com (Dale Wheat) Date: Tue Jul 28 16:42:09 2009 Subject: [DPRG] Breadboard Arduino class tonight at RBNO Message-ID: <4A6F70AE.1010101@dalewheat.com> The Breadboard Arduino class is tonight at precisely 7:00 PM at the DPRG World Headquarters. More information about the class is available on my web site: http://dalewheat.com There's only enough kits this time for ten students. More than ten people have expressed interest in the class. I have no fixed policy on how to handle this. I will be scheduling new classes in the Very Near Future. You can attend the class for free. Only the course materials cost anything. The complete kit is $25, which includes everything you need to build your own solderless breadboard-based Arduino-compatible physical computing platform. Plus you get some other fun stuff. You need to bring a laptop with a relatively modern + popular operating system. It must have at least one working USB port. Go ahead and download the Aduino IDE software (Windows, Mac or Linux flavors) from http://www.arduino.cc and install it on your computer before heading out. This will tell you right away if you have enough computer for the class. :) If you already have an Arduino (of any stripe) go ahead and come on down. Bring your laptop and your Arduino. Your expertise and experience are welcome. There will be miniscule, trivial prizes for successfully completing the class. I look forward to seeing everyone for the last time at the DPRG World Headquarters. Come on out anyway and say Hi!/Bye! to our stomping grounds for the last several years. Thanks, Dale Wheat (972) 486-1317 (877) DALE WHEAT http://dalewheat.com From dale at dalewheat.com Wed Jul 29 08:45:12 2009 From: dale at dalewheat.com (Dale Wheat) Date: Wed Jul 29 08:45:16 2009 Subject: [DPRG] Breadboard Arduino class tonight at RBNO In-Reply-To: <4A6F70AE.1010101@dalewheat.com> References: <4A6F70AE.1010101@dalewheat.com> Message-ID: <4A705268.2080103@dalewheat.com> OK, it's not tonight. It was last night. And it was a lot of fun! Thanks to everyone that participated in the class! We even had some "auditers" hanging around the fringes and soaking up all the physical computing goodness. Everyone successfully completed the class and, as promised, were awarded miniscule, trivial prizes. I want to see what you did with those displays! This is in addition to walking away with a personally hand-crafted Arduino-compatible microcomputer with extended mega-prototyping area. Congrats, you guys! Working with talented people makes my job look easy! We went from blinking a single LED and hooking up pushbuttons to building miniature Cylon scanners and actual honest-to-goodness *singing* text-to-speech synthesis. Fun stuff! A video record of the proceeding was made. I don't know when it will be made available yet, but hopefully soon. In the meantime, feel free to download the course manual from my web site: http://www.dalewheat.com/pdf/How%20To%20Build%20an%20Arduino-compatible%20Physical%20Computing%20Platform%20on%20a%20Solderless%20Breadboard.pdf That's a 2.2 MB PDF, 14 pages with lots of detailed, color photographs. The totally inadequate black & white printouts were a little help, but not much. Lesson learned! I'd like to hear back from participants, onlookers and enemy combatants regarding the class: what you liked, what was awful, what could be improved, etc. I'd like to improve this class and do a better job of presenting it again in the Very Near Future. I'd also like to thank my lovely & talented assistant, Doug Emes. Doug was on-the-spot helping everyone overcome all the minor hurdles and giving everyone the personal attention they needed to successfully complete the class. Thanks so much, Doug! I couldn't have done it without you. Please contact me off-list (that's "Reply", not "Reply All") if you would be interested in attending the next class, once I can get it scheduled. PS: In case I hadn't made it abundantly clear previously, I stole this whole idea from Brett Stephens and Chris Holloway of Tx/Rx Labs in Houston. They did it first and they did it best. Thanks for the inspiration, guys! Thanks, Dale Wheat (972) 486-1317 (877) DALE WHEAT http://dalewheat.com Dale Wheat wrote: > The Breadboard Arduino class is tonight at precisely 7:00 PM at the DPRG > World Headquarters. More information about the class is available on my > web site: > > http://dalewheat.com > > There's only enough kits this time for ten students. More than ten > people have expressed interest in the class. I have no fixed policy on > how to handle this. I will be scheduling new classes in the Very Near > Future. > > You can attend the class for free. Only the course materials cost > anything. The complete kit is $25, which includes everything you need to > build your own solderless breadboard-based Arduino-compatible physical > computing platform. Plus you get some other fun stuff. > > You need to bring a laptop with a relatively modern + popular operating > system. It must have at least one working USB port. Go ahead and > download the Aduino IDE software (Windows, Mac or Linux flavors) from > http://www.arduino.cc and install it on your computer before heading > out. This will tell you right away if you have enough computer for the > class. :) > > If you already have an Arduino (of any stripe) go ahead and come on > down. Bring your laptop and your Arduino. Your expertise and > experience are welcome. > > There will be miniscule, trivial prizes for successfully completing the > class. > > I look forward to seeing everyone for the last time at the DPRG World > Headquarters. Come on out anyway and say Hi!/Bye! to our stomping > grounds for the last several years. > > > Thanks, > > Dale Wheat > > (972) 486-1317 > (877) DALE WHEAT > http://dalewheat.com > _______________________________________________ > DPRGlist mailing list > DPRGlist@dprg.org > http://list.dprg.org/mailman/listinfo/dprglist > From DeltaGraph at aol.com Wed Jul 29 21:17:59 2009 From: DeltaGraph at aol.com (DeltaGraph@aol.com) Date: Wed Jul 29 21:18:11 2009 Subject: [DPRG] Final Garland RBNO & RBNO Schedule Message-ID: All, The final RBNO at Garland WHQ was great. Dale did his Arduino class and we had a nice time with many visitors, including several EX-DPRG presidents. The BBQ feast was great and we presented Mike with a Thank You plaque which is undergoing some corrective surgery. Ed Okerson, who closed the original deal with Mike, getting us the space in 2001, was out of town unfortunately. -- Charlie and I finished getting everything out of the Garland WHQ, (for some reason I am beat), and transported 5 tables, the red chairs and power strips to Probotics location. We set up one shelf which will hold everything for now including cookware supplies and some limited hand tools... We will have to set up/and tear down our tables for the time being in the reception area. Later on there will be more room available if everything works out and we have good positive attendance, and if Dave likes us! For everyone holding equipment, let's give it some time to get organized and see what we can bring in. The current plan is to have RBNO on 1st and 3rd Tuesday of the month at Probotics location. Here is a schedule as prepared by Steve Rainwater: Please verify that you have a confirmed date before venturing out to RBNO -- we hate for anyone to find a locked door somewhere. Aug 4 (Tue) RBNO - Probotics Aug 8 (Sat) Meeting - ??? TBA (We need to scurry here to find a location) -- Aug 11 (Tue) RBNO - XMAX Games of Skillman nearish to downtown (address given later) Aug 18 (Tue) RBNO - Probotics Aug 25 (Tue) RBNO - ??? Sep 1 (Tue) RBNO - Probotics Sep 8 (Tue) RBNO - Integrated Control Systems (Rick Bickle) Grand Prairie (Near Beltline Rd & I-30) Sep 12 (Sat) Meeting - ??? _www.ProboticsAmerica.com_ (http://www.ProboticsAmerica.com) 10028 Monroe Drive, Dallas TX 75229 2 buildings north of intersection of Walnunt Hill Ln and Monroe Dr. (building with green awnings -- about 3rd door from right hand side of building) Ron **************Hot Deals at Dell on Popular Laptops perfect for Back to School (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1223106546x1201717234/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Faltfarm.mediaplex.com%2Fad%2Fck%2F12309%2D81939%2D1629%2D8) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks, Bernie From srainwater at ncc.com Wed Jul 29 21:54:48 2009 From: srainwater at ncc.com (R. Steven Rainwater) Date: Wed Jul 29 21:54:50 2009 Subject: [DPRG] Final Garland RBNO & RBNO Schedule In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1248922488.2488.5.camel@triffid.ncc.com> On Wed, 2009-07-29 at 22:17 -0400, DeltaGraph@aol.com wrote: > Aug 4 (Tue) RBNO - Probotics > <...> Note that there are several sources online for keeping up with the RBNO, RPL, and meeting info. Current dates, times, and location info will be available on the DPRG calendar: http://www.dprg.org/calendar.html If you subscribe to the DPRG's iCal feed, all this info should already be in your calendar. If you want to subscribe, here's the iCal link: http://www.google.com/calendar/ical/webmaster% 40dprg.org/public/basic.ics Also, we'll try to keep the DPRG Facebook page updated with new event information. http://www.facebook.com/pages/Dallas-Personal-Robotics-Group-DPRG/99822806545 -Steve -- R. Steven Rainwater From foxmoy at yahoo.com Wed Jul 29 22:18:05 2009 From: foxmoy at yahoo.com (Bernie Doehner) Date: Wed Jul 29 22:18:11 2009 Subject: [DPRG] Re: RoombaComm 0.96 Setup with FireFly BlueTooth and 535 Message-ID: <127313.80675.qm@web112610.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> P.S. I do see this in the terminal: root:~/dev/roomba/dprg/roombacomm$ ./runit.sh roombacomm.RoombaCommTest WARNING: RXTX Version mismatch Jar version = RXTX-2.2pre1 native lib Version = RXTX-2.2pre2 I rebuilt from sources I got from your subversion server. This is running on a Macbook Pro with Mac OS 10.5.7 Can this be the source of my problem? Thanks, Bernie --- On Wed, 7/29/09, Bernie Doehner wrote: > From: Bernie Doehner > Subject: RoombaComm 0.96 Setup with FireFly BlueTooth and 535 > To: dprglist@dprg.org > Date: Wednesday, July 29, 2009, 10:24 PM > Hello, > > I am new to hacking the roomba, and just installed DPRG's > roombacomm 0.96 and am attempting to use it with my Firefly > bluetooth and 535. > > I did change the baud rate to 115k2. > > However, when I run RoombaCommTest, > the buttons seem to be mismatched. > > Reset, and any of the arrows just make it follow the normal > algorithm. > > I have selected Roomba 5xx (OI). Any of the command line > mode java programs similarly don't make it go in the proper > direction (like DriveRealTime) > > I am wondering if it's maybe set to non 5xx commands? > > Any suggestions on where to start debugging this? Are there > configuration things I should check? > > Thanks, > Bernie > > > ? ? ? > From rjc-wkz at swbell.net Thu Jul 30 11:17:42 2009 From: rjc-wkz at swbell.net (Robert Cunningham) Date: Thu Jul 30 11:17:48 2009 Subject: [DPRG] Video from Yahoo! Message-ID: <200907301617.n6UGHgls001761@skutter.ncc.com> Robert Cunningham (rjc-wkz@swbell.net) has sent you a video. (Email address has not been verified.) ------------------------------------------------------------ Personal message: Good Morning Yahoo! http://gmy.news.yahoo.com/vid/14792598/ ============================================================ Yahoo! Video From dgatsos at hotmail.com Thu Jul 30 14:09:11 2009 From: dgatsos at hotmail.com (Dodd Gatsos) Date: Thu Jul 30 14:09:25 2009 Subject: [DPRG] FW: Robot Fighters In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I talked to Kristen over email. She found me through an internet search on robots. Don't know if anyone would be interested in this or knows someone who might be... Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 17:22:06 -0400 Subject: Robot Fighters From: casting.kristen@gmail.com Hello, My name is Kristen and I am a Casting Producer for the ABC hit reality show 'Wife Swap.' We are currently casting for our fifth season and we are looking for families that are really into robot wars and competitive robot fighting. The premise of Wife Swap is simple: for seven days, two wives from two different families with very different values exchange husbands, children and lives (but not bedrooms) to discover what it's like to live a different family's life. It's an interesting social experiment and a great way to see your family in a whole new light. It is shot as a documentary series, so NO scripts and no set. It's just one camera that is documenting your life. Families that appear on the show will receive a financial honorarium for lost wages, time and commitment. And if you refer a family that appears on the show you would receive $1000.Here at 'Wife Swap' we look for a two-parent home with at least one child between the ages of 6 and 17 living at home full time. If you are interested, please email me your contact information and tell me a little about your family. Or if you would like to refer a family, please email me their contact information and I will be in touch. Thank you! Kristen Phelan Casting Associate Producer RDF Media USA 100 6th Ave, 3rd Floor,Suite 3-29 NY, NY 10013 P: 646.747.7936 E: Casting.Kristen@gmail.com LEGAL DISCLAIMER: This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged, intended for the exclusive and confidential use of the intended recipient. 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Note the similar words but the casting producer name is different and "robot enthusiasts" has now been replaced with "really into robot wars". > My name is Julia Jenkins and I am a casting producer for ABC > families hit reality show 'Wife Swap.' We are currently casting > for our fourth season and we are looking for families that are > ROBOT ENTHUSIASTS... And another from 2007, new name again and this time it's "robot builders": > My name is Michael Raptis and I am a casting director for ABC's > Primetime show, "Wife Swap." I hope you don?t mind me contacting > you, but we're gearing up for a fourth season at the moment and > we're currently looking for Robot Builders -Steve From sluggy9912 at swbell.net Thu Jul 30 14:56:11 2009 From: sluggy9912 at swbell.net (Sluggy!) Date: Thu Jul 30 14:56:16 2009 Subject: [DPRG] FW: Robot Fighters In-Reply-To: <1248983094.14628.77.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1248983094.14628.77.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <556818.17673.qm@web180303.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> ... and I find it at least mildly suspicious that she has no last name and that ABC casting personnel are using gmail accounts while representing the network.... Sluggy! ----- Original Message ---- From: R. Steven Rainwater To: dprglist@dprg.org Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 2:44:54 PM Subject: Re: [DPRG] FW: Robot Fighters On Thu, 2009-07-30 at 19:09 +0000, Dodd Gatsos wrote: > My name is Kristen and I am a Casting Producer for the ABC hit reality > show 'Wife Swap.' We are currently casting for our fifth season and we > are looking for families that are really into robot wars... I think it's safe to ignore this. I don't know if it's real but members have been getting these "wife swap" emails pretty regularly for years. Here's one from late 2006 for example. Note the similar words but the casting producer name is different and "robot enthusiasts" has now been replaced with "really into robot wars". > My name is Julia Jenkins and I am a casting producer for ABC > families hit reality show 'Wife Swap.' We are currently casting > for our fourth season and we are looking for families that are > ROBOT ENTHUSIASTS... And another from 2007, new name again and this time it's "robot builders": > My name is Michael Raptis and I am a casting director for ABC's > Primetime show, "Wife Swap." I hope you don?t mind me contacting > you, but we're gearing up for a fourth season at the moment and > we're currently looking for Robot Builders -Steve _______________________________________________ DPRGlist mailing list DPRGlist@dprg.org http://list.dprg.org/mailman/listinfo/dprglist From DeltaGraph at aol.com Thu Jul 30 15:00:16 2009 From: DeltaGraph at aol.com (DeltaGraph@aol.com) Date: Thu Jul 30 15:00:40 2009 Subject: [DPRG] Full Size Sumo Course 154 cm needs home or find Earl Bollinger Message-ID: All, We need to find a home / or will scrap our full size, 154 cm (5') diameter Sumo Ring Course. Mike will hold on to it for a week. The course was procured by Earl Bollinger, sometime around 2003 -- he drove to Illinois to get it. We have attempted to contact Earl, but have had no luck locating him. Thought it would be only fair to ask him if he wanted it back. If we had interest in the contest we would hold on to it, but it is a cumbersome 100+ lb beast that has not been used in at least 5 years. Steve, informs me the course is costly, but the question is finding someone who needs/wants it. The course is something like 1/8" steel disc, powder coated - so as not to rust, with a wood backing to support it and elevate is about 2" off floor. If anyone has interest, please contact me -- OR -- if you might know whereabouts of Earl, also let me know. Thanks, Ron Grant **************Hot Deals at Dell on Popular Laptops perfect for Back to School (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1223105306x1201716871/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Faltfarm.mediaplex.com%2Fad%2Fck%2F12309%2D81939%2D1629%2D9) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.dprg.org/pipermail/dprglist/attachments/20090730/2bde3409/attachment.html From jdolecek at gmail.com Thu Jul 30 15:05:31 2009 From: jdolecek at gmail.com (John Dolecek) Date: Thu Jul 30 15:05:39 2009 Subject: [DPRG] FW: Robot Fighters In-Reply-To: <556818.17673.qm@web180303.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1248983094.14628.77.camel@localhost.localdomain> <556818.17673.qm@web180303.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I got that too. The company is legit, and really does produce the show. I agree that it's very suspicious but I can't figure out what the 'con' would be in this? John On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 2:56 PM, Sluggy! wrote: > > ... and I find it at least mildly suspicious that she has no last name > and that ABC casting personnel are using gmail accounts while > representing the network.... > > Sluggy! > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: R. Steven Rainwater > To: dprglist@dprg.org > Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 2:44:54 PM > Subject: Re: [DPRG] FW: Robot Fighters > > On Thu, 2009-07-30 at 19:09 +0000, Dodd Gatsos wrote: > > My name is Kristen and I am a Casting Producer for the ABC hit reality > > show 'Wife Swap.' We are currently casting for our fifth season and we > > are looking for families that are really into robot wars... > > I think it's safe to ignore this. I don't know if it's real but members > have been getting these "wife swap" emails pretty regularly for years. > Here's one from late 2006 for example. Note the similar words but the > casting producer name is different and "robot enthusiasts" has now been > replaced with "really into robot wars". > > > My name is Julia Jenkins and I am a casting producer for ABC > > families hit reality show 'Wife Swap.' We are currently casting > > for our fourth season and we are looking for families that are > > ROBOT ENTHUSIASTS... > > And another from 2007, new name again and this time it's "robot > builders": > > > My name is Michael Raptis and I am a casting director for ABC's > > Primetime show, "Wife Swap." I hope you don?t mind me contacting > > you, but we're gearing up for a fourth season at the moment and > > we're currently looking for Robot Builders > > > -Steve > > > > _______________________________________________ > DPRGlist mailing list > DPRGlist@dprg.org > http://list.dprg.org/mailman/listinfo/dprglist > > > _______________________________________________ > DPRGlist mailing list > DPRGlist@dprg.org > http://list.dprg.org/mailman/listinfo/dprglist > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.dprg.org/pipermail/dprglist/attachments/20090730/3094a8dd/attachment.html From angryscientist at gmail.com Thu Jul 30 15:33:26 2009 From: angryscientist at gmail.com (A. Scientist) Date: Thu Jul 30 15:33:31 2009 Subject: [DPRG] FW: Robot Fighters In-Reply-To: References: <1248983094.14628.77.camel@localhost.localdomain> <556818.17673.qm@web180303.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7fa751c80907301333k413453dah7a6b9db80dd0e07c@mail.gmail.com> Yeah me either. I replied to it, got some form that wanted my bank acct #, CC#, SSN, DOB, mothers maiden name to get the ball rolling and send a "test payment" for my trouble. I sent it to her, lets see what happens... On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 3:05 PM, John Dolecek wrote: > I got that too. The company is legit, and really does produce the show. I > agree that it's very suspicious but I can't figure out what the 'con' would > be in this? > > John > > > On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 2:56 PM, Sluggy! wrote: > >> >> ... and I find it at least mildly suspicious that she has no last name >> and that ABC casting personnel are using gmail accounts while >> representing the network.... >> >> Sluggy! >> >> >> ----- Original Message ---- >> From: R. Steven Rainwater >> To: dprglist@dprg.org >> Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 2:44:54 PM >> Subject: Re: [DPRG] FW: Robot Fighters >> >> On Thu, 2009-07-30 at 19:09 +0000, Dodd Gatsos wrote: >> > My name is Kristen and I am a Casting Producer for the ABC hit reality >> > show 'Wife Swap.' We are currently casting for our fifth season and we >> > are looking for families that are really into robot wars... >> >> I think it's safe to ignore this. I don't know if it's real but members >> have been getting these "wife swap" emails pretty regularly for years. >> Here's one from late 2006 for example. Note the similar words but the >> casting producer name is different and "robot enthusiasts" has now been >> replaced with "really into robot wars". >> >> > My name is Julia Jenkins and I am a casting producer for ABC >> > families hit reality show 'Wife Swap.' We are currently casting >> > for our fourth season and we are looking for families that are >> > ROBOT ENTHUSIASTS... >> >> And another from 2007, new name again and this time it's "robot >> builders": >> >> > My name is Michael Raptis and I am a casting director for ABC's >> > Primetime show, "Wife Swap." I hope you don?t mind me contacting >> > you, but we're gearing up for a fourth season at the moment and >> > we're currently looking for Robot Builders >> >> >> -Steve >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> DPRGlist mailing list >> DPRGlist@dprg.org >> http://list.dprg.org/mailman/listinfo/dprglist >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> DPRGlist mailing list >> DPRGlist@dprg.org >> http://list.dprg.org/mailman/listinfo/dprglist >> > > > _______________________________________________ > DPRGlist mailing list > DPRGlist@dprg.org > http://list.dprg.org/mailman/listinfo/dprglist > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://list.dprg.org/pipermail/dprglist/attachments/20090730/b1d6ffb6/attachment.html From jdolecek at gmail.com Thu Jul 30 15:53:45 2009 From: jdolecek at gmail.com (John Dolecek) Date: Thu Jul 30 15:53:50 2009 Subject: [DPRG] FW: Robot Fighters In-Reply-To: <7fa751c80907301333k413453dah7a6b9db80dd0e07c@mail.gmail.com> References: <1248983094.14628.77.camel@localhost.localdomain> <556818.17673.qm@web180303.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <7fa751c80907301333k413453dah7a6b9db80dd0e07c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Annnnnnd, there's the con. Dude, you can't be on wife swap, you got no kids! Dogs and robots don't count apparently. I do hope you get your test payment though. On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 3:33 PM, A. Scientist wrote: > Yeah me either. > > I replied to it, got some form that wanted my bank acct #, CC#, SSN, DOB, > mothers maiden name to get the ball rolling and send a "test payment" for my > trouble. > > I sent it to her, lets see what happens... > > > On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 3:05 PM, John Dolecek wrote: > >> I got that too. The company is legit, and really does produce the show. I >> agree that it's very suspicious but I can't figure out what the 'con' would >> be in this? >> >> John >> >> >> On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 2:56 PM, Sluggy! wrote: >> >>> >>> ... and I find it at least mildly suspicious that she has no last name >>> and that ABC casting personnel are using gmail accounts while >>> representing the network.... >>> >>> Sluggy! >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ---- >>> From: R. Steven Rainwater >>> To: dprglist@dprg.org >>> Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 2:44:54 PM >>> Subject: Re: [DPRG] FW: Robot Fighters >>> >>> On Thu, 2009-07-30 at 19:09 +0000, Dodd Gatsos wrote: >>> > My name is Kristen and I am a Casting Producer for the ABC hit reality >>> > show 'Wife Swap.' We are currently casting for our fifth season and we >>> > are looking for families that are really into robot wars... >>> >>> I think it's safe to ignore this. I don't know if it's real but members >>> have been getting these "wife swap" emails pretty regularly for years. >>> Here's one from late 2006 for example. Note the similar words but the >>> casting producer name is different and "robot enthusiasts" has now been >>> replaced with "really into robot wars". >>> >>> > My name is Julia Jenkins and I am a casting producer for ABC >>> > families hit reality show 'Wife Swap.' We are currently casting >>> > for our fourth season and we are looking for families that are >>> > ROBOT ENTHUSIASTS... >>> >>> And another from 2007, new name again and this time it's "robot >>> builders": >>> >>> > My name is Michael Raptis and I am a casting director for ABC's >>> > Primetime show, "Wife Swap." I hope you don?t mind me contacting >>> > you, but we're gearing up for a fourth season at the moment and >>> > we're currently looking for Robot Builders >>> >>> >>> -Steve >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> DPRGlist mailing list >>> DPRGlist@dprg.org >>> http://list.dprg.org/mailman/listinfo/dprglist >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> DPRGlist mailing list >>> DPRGlist@dprg.org >>> http://list.dprg.org/mailman/listinfo/dprglist >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> DPRGlist mailing list >> DPRGlist@dprg.org >> http://list.dprg.org/mailman/listinfo/dprglist >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.dprg.org/pipermail/dprglist/attachments/20090730/a2d5ae16/attachment.html From rmd at newmicros.com Thu Jul 30 15:53:54 2009 From: rmd at newmicros.com (Randy M. Dumse) Date: Thu Jul 30 15:54:01 2009 Subject: [DPRG] Full Size Sumo Course 154 cm needs home or find EarlBollinger In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The ring was a donation from Jim Frye of Lynxmotion. I have a 3KG Sumo, just not finished. I think Earl had one and maybe Ed Koffeman did too. Don't think we ever really ran a contest. I can certainly store it at New Micros, and would be glad to have it if you want to junk it. Worst case it would find a home at UNI where I teach sumos. Jim was giving another away recently and my department asked for it, but it went to someone else closer to him. Randy _____ From: dprglist-bounces@dprg.org [mailto:dprglist-bounces@dprg.org] On Behalf Of DeltaGraph@aol.com Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 3:00 PM To: dprglist@dprg.org Subject: [DPRG] Full Size Sumo Course 154 cm needs home or find EarlBollinger All, We need to find a home / or will scrap our full size, 154 cm (5') diameter Sumo Ring Course. Mike will hold on to it for a week. The course was procured by Earl Bollinger, sometime around 2003 -- he drove to Illinois to get it. We have attempted to contact Earl, but have had no luck locating him. Thought it would be only fair to ask him if he wanted it back. If we had interest in the contest we would hold on to it, but it is a cumbersome 100+ lb beast that has not been used in at least 5 years. Steve, informs me the course is costly, but the question is finding someone who needs/wants it. The course is something like 1/8" steel disc, powder coated - so as not to rust, with a wood backing to support it and elevate is about 2" off floor. If anyone has interest, please contact me -- OR -- if you might know whereabouts of Earl, also let me know. Thanks, Ron Grant _____ Hot Deals at Dell on Popular Laptops perfect for Back to School -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.dprg.org/pipermail/dprglist/attachments/20090730/f445939e/attachment.html From angryscientist at gmail.com Thu Jul 30 15:59:10 2009 From: angryscientist at gmail.com (A. Scientist) Date: Thu Jul 30 15:59:15 2009 Subject: [DPRG] FW: Robot Fighters In-Reply-To: References: <1248983094.14628.77.camel@localhost.localdomain> <556818.17673.qm@web180303.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <7fa751c80907301333k413453dah7a6b9db80dd0e07c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7fa751c80907301359r4048e83dmb1dedc7409b669c0@mail.gmail.com> heh, kidding ;). I didn't reply, she didn't send anything. but if anyone wants my social and maiden name infos.... On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 3:53 PM, John Dolecek wrote: > Annnnnnd, there's the con. > > Dude, you can't be on wife swap, you got no kids! Dogs and robots don't > count apparently. I do hope you get your test payment though. > > > On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 3:33 PM, A. Scientist wrote: > >> Yeah me either. >> >> I replied to it, got some form that wanted my bank acct #, CC#, SSN, DOB, >> mothers maiden name to get the ball rolling and send a "test payment" for my >> trouble. >> >> I sent it to her, lets see what happens... >> >> >> On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 3:05 PM, John Dolecek wrote: >> >>> I got that too. The company is legit, and really does produce the show. >>> I agree that it's very suspicious but I can't figure out what the 'con' >>> would be in this? >>> >>> John >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 2:56 PM, Sluggy! wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> ... and I find it at least mildly suspicious that she has no last name >>>> and that ABC casting personnel are using gmail accounts while >>>> representing the network.... >>>> >>>> Sluggy! >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ---- >>>> From: R. Steven Rainwater >>>> To: dprglist@dprg.org >>>> Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 2:44:54 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [DPRG] FW: Robot Fighters >>>> >>>> On Thu, 2009-07-30 at 19:09 +0000, Dodd Gatsos wrote: >>>> > My name is Kristen and I am a Casting Producer for the ABC hit reality >>>> > show 'Wife Swap.' We are currently casting for our fifth season and we >>>> > are looking for families that are really into robot wars... >>>> >>>> I think it's safe to ignore this. I don't know if it's real but members >>>> have been getting these "wife swap" emails pretty regularly for years. >>>> Here's one from late 2006 for example. Note the similar words but the >>>> casting producer name is different and "robot enthusiasts" has now been >>>> replaced with "really into robot wars". >>>> >>>> > My name is Julia Jenkins and I am a casting producer for ABC >>>> > families hit reality show 'Wife Swap.' We are currently casting >>>> > for our fourth season and we are looking for families that are >>>> > ROBOT ENTHUSIASTS... >>>> >>>> And another from 2007, new name again and this time it's "robot >>>> builders": >>>> >>>> > My name is Michael Raptis and I am a casting director for ABC's >>>> > Primetime show, "Wife Swap." 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Tod kindly consented to moving the roombacomm source into the DPRG repository, where it can be more widely available and where community maintenance is possible. I want to encourage folks with technical questions about hacking Roombas to submit them on the Robotic Hacking forum at www.robotreviews.com under the Robot Chat tab. There's a strong group of Roomba support folks there who try hard to help people out. Thanks Paul Bouchier DPRG Secretary > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 19:24:12 -0700 (PDT) > From: Bernie Doehner > Subject: [DPRG] RoombaComm 0.96 Setup with FireFly BlueTooth and 535 > To: dprglist@dprg.org > Message-ID: <508206.26571.qm@web112603.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > Hello, > > I am new to hacking the roomba, and just installed DPRG's > roombacomm 0.96 and am attempting to use it with my Firefly > bluetooth and 535. > > I did change the baud rate to 115k2. > > However, when I run RoombaCommTest, > the buttons seem to be mismatched. > > Reset, and any of the arrows just make it follow the normal algorithm. > > I have selected Roomba 5xx (OI). Any of the command line mode > java programs similarly don't make it go in the proper > direction (like DriveRealTime) > > I am wondering if it's maybe set to non 5xx commands? > > Any suggestions on where to start debugging this? Are there > configuration things I should check? > > Thanks, > Bernie From jdolecek at gmail.com Fri Jul 31 12:20:06 2009 From: jdolecek at gmail.com (John Dolecek) Date: Fri Jul 31 12:20:12 2009 Subject: [DPRG] Running Robot (WOW) Message-ID: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sv35ItWLBBk I wonder how much power it takes it to run like that? Seems like it would be a lot. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.dprg.org/pipermail/dprglist/attachments/20090731/e14323c2/attachment.html From k5rud at arrl.net Fri Jul 31 12:52:15 2009 From: k5rud at arrl.net (Rud Merriam) Date: Fri Jul 31 12:52:26 2009 Subject: [DPRG] Running Robot (WOW) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I found it especially interesting that both feet are off the ground momentarily when running. You can just see this toward the end of the high-speed camera portion of the video. Not having complete positive control, i.e. both feet on the ground, seems to me a big step (no pun intended). I wonder why the robot starts running in place for both the push-off-balance segment and the high-speed run. It would be interesting to know how complicated the balancing routines are. Is this emergent behavior from some simple rules or highly complex equations. - 73 - Rud Merriam K5RUD ARES AEC Montgomery County, TX http://mysticlakesoftware.blogspot.com/ -----Original Message----- From: John Dolecek [mailto:jdolecek@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 12:20 PM To: dprglist Subject: [DPRG] Running Robot (WOW) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sv35ItWLBBk I wonder how much power it takes it to run like that? Seems like it would be a lot. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.dprg.org/pipermail/dprglist/attachments/20090731/14307674/attachment.html From jdolecek at gmail.com Fri Jul 31 15:44:42 2009 From: jdolecek at gmail.com (John Dolecek) Date: Fri Jul 31 15:44:47 2009 Subject: [DPRG] Running Robot (WOW) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I thought it was very interesting to watch the torso rotate to offset the moments created by the legs accelerating in opposite directions. I bet the relative masses and inertias are pretty crucial in designing something like that. I too wondered about the jogging place. I even stood up and tried it myself. I still have no idea. John On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 12:52 PM, Rud Merriam wrote: > I found it especially interesting that both feet are off the ground > momentarily when running. You can just see this toward the end of the > high-speed camera portion of the video. Not having complete positive > control, i.e. both feet on the ground, seems to me a big step (no pun > intended). > > I wonder why the robot starts running in place for both the > push-off-balance segment and the high-speed run. > > It would be interesting to know how complicated the balancing routines are. > Is this emergent behavior from some simple rules or highly complex > equations. > > > - 73 - > *Rud Merriam K5RUD* > ARES AEC Montgomery County, TX > *http://mysticlakesoftware.blogspot.com/* > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* John Dolecek [mailto:jdolecek@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Friday, July 31, 2009 12:20 PM > *To:* dprglist > *Subject:* [DPRG] Running Robot (WOW) > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sv35ItWLBBk > > I wonder how much power it takes it to run like that? 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URL: http://list.dprg.org/pipermail/dprglist/attachments/20090731/d7194fdb/attachment.html From spaceminers2010 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 31 16:35:31 2009 From: spaceminers2010 at yahoo.com (vincent lopresti) Date: Fri Jul 31 16:35:37 2009 Subject: [DPRG] Running Robot (WOW) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <668404.91818.qm@web111102.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> it's as simple as two opposing pendulums on a spring. the givens are height, weight, gravity, reaction time, acceleration, etc. the sensors also play a very important roll. it can sense over-balance, center of gravity, tilt in 360 degrees, etc. at even 1mm out of bounds,?the motors kick in to compensate in milliseconds. no human is as fast and no human could detect such a small change in force. every machine has it's limits. however, i dare anyone to try to push that thing over! but that would be rude. they should really program it to push people back...??? it would signify the beginning of robot independence and anti-robot-slavery laws. imagine all robots with freedom of choice subroutines...?? robots with inspiration, lazy robots, robots that perform other functions besides the ones they were designed for. i think i'll take that free AI course online at stanford u. all of thier videos are on http://www.youtube.com/user/stanforduniversity ? robotrock =] --- On Fri, 7/31/09, John Dolecek wrote: From: John Dolecek Subject: Re: [DPRG] Running Robot (WOW) To: k5rud@arrl.net Cc: dprglist@dprg.org Date: Friday, July 31, 2009, 3:44 PM I thought it was very interesting to watch the torso rotate to offset the moments created by the legs accelerating in opposite directions.? I bet the relative masses and inertias are pretty crucial in designing something like that.? I too wondered about the jogging place. I even stood up and tried it myself..? I still have no idea. John On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 12:52 PM, Rud Merriam wrote: I found it especially interesting that both feet are off the ground momentarily when running. You can just see this toward the end of the high-speed camera portion of the video. Not having complete positive control, i.e. both feet on the ground, seems to me a big step (no pun intended). ? I wonder why the robot starts running in place for both the push-off-balance segment?and the high-speed run. ? It would be interesting to know how complicated the balancing routines are. Is this emergent behavior from some simple rules or highly complex equations. ?- 73 - Rud Merriam K5RUD ARES AEC Montgomery County, TX http://mysticlakesoftware.blogspot.com/ -----Original Message----- From: John Dolecek [mailto:jdolecek@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 12:20 PM To: dprglist Subject: [DPRG] Running Robot (WOW) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sv35ItWLBBk I wonder how much power it takes it to run like that?? Seems like it would be a lot. _______________________________________________ DPRGlist mailing list DPRGlist@dprg.org http://list.dprg.org/mailman/listinfo/dprglist -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ DPRGlist mailing list DPRGlist@dprg.org http://list.dprg.org/mailman/listinfo/dprglist -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.dprg.org/pipermail/dprglist/attachments/20090731/017cc240/attachment.html